4-DHEA vs 3-AD

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This might be a dumb question but I want to give pinning a rest, so what is the stronger TD?
4-DHEA or 3-AD?
 
Thank you, I didn’t realize that so I will stick with the 4-DHEA
Highly recommend you buy a well dosed one like Andro the giant from strong supplement shop. That’s oral. Or of course IML makes super 4-andro in td form.
 
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If my reasoning was to take a break from pinning i would probably do a few shots of hcg and run enclo.

If not id do 5mg daily dbol and some epiandro or proviron with it, or 300mg 4-andro

You could also do 4 and 3🤷‍♂️

Lots of potential ways to take a break from pinning without crashing.
 
This might be a dumb question but I want to give pinning a rest, so what is the stronger TD?
4-DHEA or 3-AD?
in the best of times, you would want to take the two together. 3ad is not an actual DHT and may be best known to enhance other anabolic signals. it has some other attributes that are attractive too but In general think of it as hitting the nos button~ in car terms, it doesn't change anything mechanical yet adds gobs of horse powa~
 
Probably going with 4–Andro @300mg per day TD with some Stanogen TD as well for 8 weeks to get me to March then go all in on my pre summer protocol…
 
Are we looking to replace a true TRT cruise while taking a break from pinning or are we looking to attempt to drive gains while not pinning? Two very different goals with different needs.
 
I was trying to maintain gains/cruise/continue TRT but stop pinning for an 8-10 week span. Then jump back on actual above TRT dose coupled with Icon-11 or Mast back to back for 12-16 weeks
 
Probably going with 4–Andro @300mg per day TD with some Stanogen TD as well for 8 weeks to get me to March then go all in on my pre summer protocol…
Hey did you follow through with this stack. If so how did it work for you?
 
If someone is looking to take a break from pinning their TRT, then why not just move to another form of TRT like androgel? There are several other forms of effective TRT outside just pinning, unless you're talking about maintaining supraphysiological levels, which is really a cycle.
 
It went ok….my coverage doesn’t cover Androgel anymore and out of pocket was going to be around 700 per month. The 4-andro carried me through my 8 week break so it did what I needed, it will not get you to supraphysiological levels so don’t expect to see many gains.
 
they have kind of re developed oral test undecanoate marketed as jatenzo and kyzatrex that came out over the past few years and have tweaked the delivery method using new surfactants/emulsifier in the gel tab that is supposed to offer better absorption. may be an alternative to transdermal because yours is no longer covered under insurance. i talked w a patient who was on it and he said he liked it more than injection.
 
they have kind of re developed oral test undecanoate marketed as jatenzo and kyzatrex that came out over the past few years and have tweaked the delivery method using new surfactants/emulsifier in the gel tab that is supposed to offer better absorption. may be an alternative to transdermal because yours is no longer covered under insurance. i talked w a patient who was on it and he said he liked it more than injection.
It sucks tried it my test went from 900 with injections to 175 with those pills. Also they give horrible heartburn. Just pin it subq.
 
It sucks tried it my test went from 900 with injections to 175 with those pills. Also they give horrible heartburn. Just pin it subq.

how many hours after taking your morning dose did you get tested? sorry to hear about the heartburn
 
how many hours after taking your morning dose did you get tested? sorry to hear about the heartburn

I think it was 2 hours? Can’t remember over a year ago. But the fact that my levels were absolute **** means there was no steady stable blood levels of T in my system. Yeah the other **** part about the pills is you have to take with fat source to help with absorption. So you gotta make your macro profile higher on fat side which is lame because then less room for carbs.
 
i think either TLando or Kyzatrex you can take without food, cant remember off the top of my head which one
 
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