So my father in law wanted to try 4-Andro because it converts to testosterone but doesn’t want to try trt yet (
). It should be noted he has a natural test level in the 200s. Anyways he bought Brutal 4ce and is saying he noticed absolutely nothing. Each cap is 65mgs and he said he did 2 weeks of 2 caps ed and 2 weeks of 4 caps a day. He noticed no increase in energy, strength, recovery, nothing. If anything he said he is feeling more tired. Thoughts?
He has been using it for 4 weeks. And again he has low T so I would think he would feel something. Also this is his first muscle building supplement as well. Never even used a regular test booster.
Yeah he "should feel the 4-Andro" if he's low T, unless he's just super out of shape + already hypogonadic? IF it's "making him more tired" sounds like he's low T and this could be suppressing his current already low T state?
If your pops has never even taken a test booster, nor any other PED nor exogenous Testosterone (TRT), then one may not know the subtle "on feeling" from exogenous androgens also? If one just knows a coffee, beer, marijuana "buzz" they won't feel the 4-Andro until they're really working it in the gym.
Anyway, I was "low T" and the 4-andro definitely helped me, until I got to actual UGL TRT >> Real doc TRT. But it's not magic and without a real test base, doesn't work forever.. I even had a post from 2019 debating the idea of using 4-Andro long-run as an oral test base, but this isn't viable..
Maybe the oral 4-andro (I still have a bottle of Brutal-4CE from BSL myself) doesn't work with his gut? Blackstone is/should be using cyclosomal / liposomal delivery (coats drug particles in lipids to pass the digestion into the blood), however I think there's some transdermal 4-Andro on the market still. Iconic Formulations used to have it, but not anymore.. maybe IML?
That said if his bloodwork shows the low T range, so he's already getting doctor-ordered bloodwork? Just walk him over to the Urologist and get the Test Cyp 100mg/week RX done, should get like 6 months' worth Test Cyp 200 vials for the insurance $copay. Then the Brutal 4CE (4-Andro) will work WAY better when he's not trying to use it to raise baseline Test levels up orally.
Speaking of good oral, lol... there's oral (twice daily) testosterone now, and transdermal test cremes my Urologist said - if he's super old school and afraid of the "pinning" part of it.
