4 andro conversion rate

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Hi everyone,

Wanted to start a new sarm cycle pretty soon but wanted to add some sort of test base. I’ve used 4 andro in the past but it’s been a while.

Was wondering how the results are in terms of actual test conversion, or if there is anything better that you all would recommend that you can get without a script.

Otherwise, was considering an HRT clinic for a base but my only concern would be pricing from them.

Thanks!
 
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It seems like the general consensus is that dermacrine is the best legal base compound that you can get. There's tons of user experiences on this forum if you're interested in taking a look at that.
 
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Dermacrine is a great product. Andro the giant is a solid base at 330 per day, 2 bottles for a buck fifty
 
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4-ad is a one step as opposed to 4-andro that’s 2 step.

transdermal trest if you’re experienced is in my humble opinion a far better base (you want a base to make you feel good, maintain libido etc) assuming you don’t want to pin.

but generally nothing will beat 300mg of test a week in the ass ime
 
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It seems like the general consensus is that dermacrine is the best legal base compound that you can get. There's tons of user experiences on this forum if you're interested in taking a look at that.
Dermacrine is one of the beat test bases you can get and easily played with to dose differently. If you buy off iconic formulations you can use code chef which takes 25% off which also makes it very effective to buy in groups.
 
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Dermacrine is one of the beat test bases you can get and easily played with to dose differently. If you buy off iconic formulations you can use code chef which takes 25% off which also makes it very effective to buy in groups.
Sounds great. I ended up picking up some last night. Looking forward to seeing how it works
 
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It seems like the general consensus is that dermacrine is the best legal base compound that you can get. There's tons of user experiences on this forum if you're interested in taking a look at that.
dermacrine and all products are 30% off at iconic formulaions site, including the new ICON ONE-dermacrines new big brother.
 
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Looks like you’ve got a good start! Excited to see what you end up deciding on. Sorry OP for the off topic comment
Thanks man and apologies to OP too!!

*OP, what sarm stack? I liked ostarine and Lgd together.

I’m considering throwing in some 4 andro with the Dermacrine, curious if there’d be a synergistic effect and perhaps would need less 4 andro, than if I ran that alone ?
 
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Thanks man and apologies to OP too!!

*OP, what sarm stack? I liked ostarine and Lgd together.

I’m considering throwing in some 4 andro with the Dermacrine, curious if there’d be a synergistic effect and perhaps would need less 4 andro, than if I ran that alone ?
I would say you should be able to reduce the 4- andro if combining.
 
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In order to get a round about estimate of conversion of any pro hormone follow this formula:
100 - 50 * 1000/12.5 + 8 * 24 -36(455)
Then convert it into a percentage.(by moving the decimal two places to the right.)
 

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10% to 20%. Transdermal higher rate than oral in my opinion. 300 mg daily of TD 4 dhea equates to about 40 mg testosterone daily/ 280 mg weekly is good estimate
 
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10% to 20%. Transdermal higher rate than oral in my opinion. 300 mg daily of TD 4 dhea equates to about 40 mg testosterone daily/ 280 mg weekly is good estimate
True testosterone applied via TD has an absorption rate of 10% with the best carrier. That's real testosterone without conversion needed.

4ad will lose 90% via TD application then out of that 10% only another 10% is being converted to test. Think about this before you all burn money on 4-ad.
 
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10% to 20%. Transdermal higher rate than oral in my opinion. 300 mg daily of TD 4 dhea equates to about 40 mg testosterone daily/ 280 mg weekly is good estimate
True testosterone applied via TD has an absorption rate of 10% with the best carrier. That's real testosterone without conversion needed.

4ad will lose 90% via TD application then out of that 10% only another 10% is being converted to test. Think about this before you all burn money on 4-ad.
 

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I would say iron legions patented carrier is superior to the Androgel from pharmaceutical company
 
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True testosterone applied via TD has an absorption rate of 10% with the best carrier. That's real testosterone without conversion needed.

4ad will lose 90% via TD application then out of that 10% only another 10% is being converted to test. Think about this before you all burn money on 4-ad.
Based on what proof. @delsolrob
 
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Thanks man and apologies to OP too!!

*OP, what sarm stack? I liked ostarine and Lgd together.

I’m considering throwing in some 4 andro with the Dermacrine, curious if there’d be a synergistic effect and perhaps would need less 4 andro, than if I ran that alone ?
Most like either

S23 + base
Or s4/rad + base

I’ve ran s23 once and once it kicked in I looked very impressive. It was like I was taking a bulking compound in terms of weight gain but getting drier and leaner like a cutting sarm.

I’ve heard numerous things about s23 sides. Although I never really got any sides in terms of acne, libido, etc.

Probably going to hold off on blasting until this quarantine is over and I can lift again
 

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