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4-AD and M1T

victor2003

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Ok guys I have a quick question: I am about run a 10g 4-AD trans with 10mg M1T ed for 2 wks. Since a trans. takes longer to enter your system, shouldn't I begin the 4-ad trans. at least a week earlier than the M1T in order to get the full benefit? PCT has been properly taken care of (nolva).
 
My opinion is to use the transdermal for atleast 2 weeks before starting your 2 weeks M1T. So you would be on the transdermal for a month. This would give the best gains in a short cycle IMHO. It really depends on your goals.

Are you going to do PCT and stay off for a while, or are you going to come back for part two of this cycle?
 
victor2003 said:
Ok guys I have a quick question: I am about run a 10g 4-AD trans with 10mg M1T ed for 2 wks. Since a trans. takes longer to enter your system, shouldn't I begin the 4-ad trans. at least a week earlier than the M1T in order to get the full benefit? PCT has been properly taken care of (nolva).
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Frontloading the 4-AD would be a good idea. Especially if you respond well to 4-AD.
 
sifu said:
I ran the exact same thing. But I ran it for four weeks and loved it.
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Since this is going to be my 1st M1T cycle, I am going to just run it for 2 weeks and then hit the PCT. I will frontload the 4-AD 2 weeks ahead though like you guys recommended :D
 
victor2003 said:
Since this is going to be my 1st M1T cycle, I am going to just run it for 2 weeks and then hit the PCT. I will frontload the 4-AD 2 weeks ahead though like you guys recommended :D
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sounds good. Best of luck
 
Beta BBer said:
what if the 4ad isn't transdermal?
safe to run methylated 4ad?
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It's not a good idea to run 2 methylated substances together. Unless you have a vendetta against your liver.
 
Beta BBer said:
my bad, thanks for the help though
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Just kidding with you.
I think he was done with this thread anyway.

You tried using the transdermal before? powernutrition.net has an awesome do it yourself transdermal page.
 
t1 was my last ph, i did it around last june i think, and just didn't like it. i found them inconvenient and i didn't like the goopyness and rubber glove stuff. i did gain decent size though, but essentially id rather pin than do a transermal again. but i cant pin, i dont have the privacy or clean conditions required. my living situation (no, not with my parents) makes that unfeasable for at least a year and a half.

im thinking ill do the m1t at 10 and see how the lethargy is, my guess is ill be able to deal with it, if i cant ill finish up and do the nolva and rethink things. i just ordered 4 bottles from designer supps so i got plenty of time to play around
 
I think the new t-gel holds more product. So i figure you will probably use less lotion than the old formula and still get the same 4ad absorption rate.
i felt the same way about the transdermals., but i have come around. I think you will get better results if you throw 4ad in the mix.
I tried m1t alone and i dont think it was the best way.
With 4ad you can extend your cycle. You could get juiced up on 4ad and then hit m1t on the last two weeks for a big extra boost.

Or you could take the m1t while you are waiting for the 4ad to kick in. and ride the 4ad for a nice 6-8 weeks, maybe even get 2 cycles of m1t in during this time.

You can bet the results will be alot better than m1t alone. plus, a long cycle with a long off cycle is better than running a short cycle and wanting to get right back on. JMO

Atleast this is the way i am going to run my next cycle.
 
I have heard suggestions of using m1t at the beginning of the 4ad cycle instead of the end of it.

However i have seen lab reports that show m1t causes immediate shutdown of natural test. Is 4ad so swift to suppress? I know that 4ad will cause suppression but maybe it would be less of a dramatic shutdown, if the m1t were used at the end.
If you use m1t at the beginning and get shutdown, then the 4ad causes further suppression for the length of the cycle. So you are pretty much shutdown from the beginning.
Would it help to slowly be shutdown with 4ad first and save the harder suppression for when it wont be sustained for so long?

Since you are doing a stack you might as well get the synergystic (combined) effect. If you take the m1t at the beginning before the 4ad kicks in, you may as well be running 2 separate cycles.

Am i making any sense at all?
 
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