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3rd Cycle - Need some adivse structuring

LegoMan

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Planning on a 16 week cycle, 4 week post cycle therapy.

About me:
26yrs old, 5'11", 230lbs, about 12% bodyfat (holidays were good to me). this will be my 3rd cycle.

Available goodies:
Phereplex & Superdrol
Test Cyp
EQ
Tren Enan
PegMGF
2 bottles IGF

Was thinking something like this:

PheraPlex weeks 1-4
Test Cyp 500mg/week, weeks 1-16
EQ 400mg/week, weeks 1-16
Tren Enan 400mg/week weeks 1-10
Superdrol weeks 13-16

Definitely planning on using 1 bottle of IGF for PCT, along with some Tor, I'm unsure when to use the IGF & PegMGF though. Thinking about getting some cabergoline & HCG.

Any thoughts or suggestions?? a better way to structure a cycle with the compounds listed above? also, this will be my first time using the enan version of tren, so any feedback good or bad on that would be appreciated....thanks for the help.
 
looks good...but i would

stop the eq at week 15 because it takes 3 weeks to clear while enanthate takes 2 weeks

run pegmgf and igf for 4 weeks together during pct
 
LegoMan said:
Planning on a 16 week cycle, 4 week post cycle therapy.

About me:
26yrs old, 5'11", 230lbs, about 12% bodyfat (holidays were good to me). this will be my 3rd cycle.

Available goodies:
Phereplex & Superdrol
Test Cyp
EQ
Tren Enan
PegMGF
2 bottles IGF

Was thinking something like this:

PheraPlex weeks 1-4
Test Cyp 500mg/week, weeks 1-16
EQ 400mg/week, weeks 1-16
Tren Enan 400mg/week weeks 1-10
Superdrol weeks 13-16

Definitely planning on using 1 bottle of IGF for post cycle therapy, along with some Tor, I'm unsure when to use the IGF & PegMGF though. Thinking about getting some cabergoline & HCG.

Any thoughts or suggestions?? a better way to structure a cycle with the compounds listed above? also, this will be my first time using the enan version of tren, so any feedback good or bad on that would be appreciated....thanks for the help.
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I would agree with Tom and stop the EQ at 15 weeks. I would run the superdrol from weeks 15-18 while the long esters clear. I would most definately have HCG in this 18 week cycle - run it at 500IU a week from week 4 through 18. 2 bottles of IFG I am assuming is 2mg. I would run that with Grunt/GK protocol. 100mcg per week divided over 3 days immediately after work out shot IM into a muscle worked. So run that for 20 weeks from week 3 of cycle through post cycle therapy. Run the PegMF with the IGF. I'd rather run GH with IGF though. You might want to get some Cabergoline to have if needed. Have you used those doses of Test and EQ together? Because if you haven't - they MIGHT cause gyno too - so you might want to have some Adex on hand also - the trouble with that would be that you don't know which one would be causing the gyno - just a thought. I wouldn't worry too much about it though - unless you know you are prone. Check out Grunts sticky on IGF and the latest info on Peg in the Growth forum. This cycle is going to be kickass.
 
Stupes said:
I would agree with Tom and stop the EQ at 15 weeks. I would run the superdrol from weeks 15-18 while the long esters clear. I would most definately have HCG in this 18 week cycle - run it at 500IU a week from week 4 through 18. 2 bottles of IFG I am assuming is 2mg. I would run that with Grunt/GK protocol. 100mcg per week divided over 3 days immediately after work out shot IM into a muscle worked. So run that for 20 weeks from week 3 of cycle through post cycle therapy. Run the PegMF with the IGF. I'd rather run GH with IGF though. You might want to get some Cabergoline to have if needed. Have you used those doses of Test and EQ together? Because if you haven't - they MIGHT cause gyno too - so you might want to have some Adex on hand also - the trouble with that would be that you don't know which one would be causing the gyno - just a thought. I wouldn't worry too much about it though - unless you know you are prone. Check out Grunts sticky on IGF and the latest info on Peg in the Growth forum. This cycle is going to be kickass.
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Thank you Matty.

And one more thing Legoman. Have you run Tren Acetate before? If you haven't - I would advise you to run that instead of the Tren E because the sides are a concern with Tren and it's advisable to use the short ester on your first run in case you have to stop it. The Tren E will be in the blood for a couple of weeks and that would suck if you don't react well to the compound.
 
LegoMan said:
also, this will be my first time using the enan version of tren, so any feedback good or bad on that would be appreciated....thanks for the help.
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Ur welcome Stupes...
I think he has before judging by this sentence...

Me personally i would probably stick with the acetate version just incase of sides it will leave your system faster...I know it is a pain to stick youreself eod but i would rather do that than deal with tren sides for 2 weeks+ after stopping..
 
I would say use either tren or eq, not both. That's overkill IMO, especially with the orals you plan on using. I would go with the tren. I also preferred th acetate over enanth. Just felt better on it.
 
I like the addition of EQ in that cycle for tendon strength. With Test, Tren, and IGF - you could have too much muscle strength and not enough tendon strength......
 
Stupes said:
I like the addition of EQ in that cycle for tendon strength. With Test, Tren, and IGF - you could have too much muscle strength and not enough tendon strength......
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Never had a problem myself. Besides eq is not going to make a huge difference in that respect. The longer esters are not going to give huge overnight strength increases to the point of jeopardizing the tendons.
 
To each his own - I like EQ in any cycle. Increased appetite, endurance, and tendon strength. And has no sides at that dose in almost all people.
 
Stupes said:
To each his own - I like EQ in any cycle. Increased appetite, endurance, and tendon strength. And has no sides at that dose in almost all people.
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I like the stuff too, just not as much as tren. The only problem for me with eq was the increased rbc count. After a blood test my doc told me to take an aspirin a day because it was too high.
 
Totally agree - like with Ephedra. How long did you take the aspirin for?
 
Stupes said:
I like the addition of EQ in that cycle for tendon strength. With Test, Tren, and IGF - you could have too much muscle strength and not enough tendon strength......
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IGF for muscle strength? I've never experienced that.


I agree with jarhead that this cycle is overkill, especially for a third.. you don't need that many variables.... Drop an oral at least. Bump up the Test if anything. If you can't gain on even only Test and Eq for that duration, something is amiss. Definitely get HCG for that duration.. especially if you use Tren, as it is extremely suppressive.
 
Could you possibly list what comprised your previous cycles? As Ubi said, your cycle outline should depend on how many known vs. unknown variables you would like to incorporate.

For a kickstart, I think you would do fine with Prop, which is coincidentally what I will be doing in all of my subsequent cycles. This way you are not introducing a potentially side-laden oral, only bumping the dosage of a compound you already know.
 
Damn didn't think I'd get so many responses! Thanks for the input guys.

I'm thinking I'm going to drop the tren enan as I'd rather not have to deal with the sides, and would rather save it for more of a cutting cycle at some point later... so without tren, you guys think I'll still need the HCG & Cabergoline???
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Could you possibly list what comprised your previous cycles? As Ubi said, your cycle outline should depend on how many known vs. unknown variables you would like to incorporate.
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PH runs:
3 wk Superdrol cycle
4 wk Superdrol cycle
5 wk superdrol/PP cycle

Real cycles:
12 wk test enan/EQ
6 wk trenA/test prop


THanks again for the feedback...
 
Then, as Ubi/Jarhead said, I'd go with either the Tren or the EQ. If you faired fine with the Acetate ester of Tren than the Enan is possible; beware, however, that IMO at least using the Enan ester of Tren is something one should do only if they are completely prepared and confident with their experience.

Maybe go with something like this:

Test E 500mg 1-16
EQ 400mg 1-15 (14 depending on who you are)

Then you can choose to kick it off with an oral kickstart, or more preferrably a Prop kickstart.
 
Stupes said:
I would agree with Tom and stop the EQ at 15 weeks. I would run the superdrol from weeks 15-18 while the long esters clear. I would most definately have HCG in this 18 week cycle - run it at 500IU a week from week 4 through 18. 2 bottles of IFG I am assuming is 2mg. I would run that with Grunt/GK protocol. 100mcg per week divided over 3 days immediately after work out shot IM into a muscle worked. So run that for 20 weeks from week 3 of cycle through post cycle therapy. Run the PegMF with the IGF. I'd rather run GH with IGF though. You might want to get some Cabergoline to have if needed. Have you used those doses of Test and EQ together? Because if you haven't - they MIGHT cause gyno too - so you might want to have some Adex on hand also - the trouble with that would be that you don't know which one would be causing the gyno - just a thought. I wouldn't worry too much about it though - unless you know you are prone. Check out Grunts sticky on IGF and the latest info on Peg in the Growth forum. This cycle is going to be kickass.
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sounds good but i would change one thing...the IGF and PegMF, use it in 4 week spurts, 4on 4off i hear you can lose its effectiveness....its new to me so dont take that as law, its something ive heard. so:

week2-5 on
week10-14 on
week19-22 on
week27-30 on

Im on a long cycle now and HCG was planned but fell thru so i know what it is like. Get it for this cycle.

Cabergoline would be wise to have handy but not sure if you would like to run it for prevention or just wait until problems arise. Vitamin B6 I would run maybe 200mg ED thru the cycle, its is a natural prolactin regulator. Oh Ok I just read that you are going to leave it out.....

I think you should jumpstart with tren A since youve used it before, I mean, if you liked it and responded well...the new orals IMO are just to risky. Test prop or Tren A for the jumper.



Mullet, I dont understand the reasoning behind the "depending on who you are" comment left regarding the duration of EQ...?
 
pistonpump said:
Mullet, I dont understand the reasoning behind the "depending on who you are" comment left regarding the duration of EQ...?
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Some prefer to drop the EQ sooner than later is all.
 
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