3AD vs Epiandro/Androsterone

[Vitruvian Man]

I currently have Super Mandro (1dhea) and Andro the Giant (4dhea) for an Andro cycle I plan to run in 2 weeks.
How does 3ad stack up against Epi and/or Androsterone? Was going to run the 1Andro and buy some Alpha Four (4andro + androsterone). But since I have 1/4 already am conflicted on buying 3AD now too can’t seem to find much that is recent on 3AD and what it is comparable to. Goal is strength gains and lean bulk or recomp.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

3 ad is peculiar in that its actually better as a potentiator than top teir hormone. It does not convert to DHT, but it acts almost exactly the same. I think if you were to use it, i would take it to help the others shine. i.e. take it to get better effects from the other hormones.
it seems to make cardio pretty effortless

 

[Vitruvian Man]

3 ad is peculiar in that its actually better as a potentiator than top teir hormone. It does not convert to DHT, but it acts almost exactly the same. I think if you were to use it, i would take it to help the others shine. i.e. take it to get better effects from the other hormones.
it seems to make cardio pretty effortless

So do you think it’d fit into a 1/4andro stack? Would it’s ‘enhancing powers‘ be beneficial in a stack so mild?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

absolutely. the few studies i found about it showed a strong anabolic effect ..(ircc 40% of test)
it may make that mild stack act more like a barn burner! or not. its up to you to find out~

 

[Pswain78]

I tried it with epiandro last year and got wicked headaches and blood pressure was fine. I have used epiandro at least 3-4 times so I knew it wasnt that, dropped the 3 andro and headaches went away. Not sure if other people have had the same issue.

 

[Afi140]

I used enhanced formulations 3ad a couple years back and loved it. Only ran it 4 weeks but definitely a feel good compound. I did notice an itchy scalp but didn’t notice much shedding as I only ran it 4 weeks. Would stack well for sure.

 

[jrock645]

Seems to work well treated like proviron

 

[StarScream66]

3AD is junk, IMO.

But, check out the old reviews and guides on bbcom

site:forum.bodybuilding.com 3ad - Google Search

Maybe I'm thinking of 5AD.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

3AD is junk, IMO.

But, check out the old reviews and guides on bbcom

site:forum.bodybuilding.com 3ad - Google Search

Maybe I'm thinking of 5AD.

two different things.
the newer 3 ad is a DHEA analog that was until recently unsynthasized

 

[StarScream66]

two different things.
the newer 3 ad is a DHEA analog that was until recently unsynthasized

What does 3AD convert to?

 

[Rockslide]

What does 3AD convert to?

the compound is dehydroandrostenol. I’m not sure if it’s even been proven what it converts to but something chemically similar to dht but has some anabolic effects that dht doesn’t have

 

[Hyde]

Used Enhanced at 75-100mg. Definitely adds energy, libido, training intensity, and a fuller look. Great stuff. Got a couple bottles of Gainbusters for a great price.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

the compound is dehydroandrostenol. I’m not sure if it’s even been proven what it converts to but something chemically similar to dht but has some anabolic effects that dht doesn’t have

this... ^ it is the end of the line and its does not back convert into lesser dhea's some of which are hard on the scalp and or nips.. this one may also have addiitve effects on other hormone cycles as well.

https://www.ergo-log.com/dehydroandrostenol-dehydroandrosterone.html

 

[netflixNchill]

Used Enhanced at 75-100mg. Definitely adds energy, libido, training intensity, and a fuller look. Great stuff. Got a couple bottles of Gainbusters for a great price.

Enhanced has 30% off right now, might not be a bad time for OP to grab both products mentioned in the title

But I agree^ 75mg is the sweet spot

 

[StrongGuy]

I just finished 10 weeks of Swole Patrol at 100 mg/day earlier this month. Stuff gave awesome vascularity, muscle hardening and nutrition partitioning. I love androsterone (not so much epiandro) and this was just like a better androsterone to me. I hate that Gainbusters stopped selling it... I'll definitely end up giving Enhanced Formulations version a go in the future.

 

[AndroRage]

Is this methylated? Haven’t seen or heard much about it in UK

 

[Burnfire]

Is this methylated? Haven’t seen or heard much about it in UK

I don't believe it is but @xR1pp3Rx or @ZOO would know for sure

 

[mawalega]

Its a non-methyl so nice to consider in a stack

 

[Burnfire]

Its a non-methyl so nice to consider in a stack

Nice! Yeah if I had the funds it would be thrown to my mix.

 

[ZOO]

Correct. It is a non-methyl. This makes them excellent for newer or conservative users and those wanting something to stack with a harder compound. Being such, however, significantly limits their oral bioavailability, unfortunately. To counter this I gave Biceps King a hefty 300mg dose of EpiAndro along with high yield piperine (aka bioperine) and Swole Patrol with TetraSorb delivery caps.

 

[StarScream66]

Correct. It is a non-methyl. This makes them excellent for newer or conservative users and those wanting something to stack with a harder compound. Being such, however, significantly limits their oral bioavailability, unfortunately. To counter this I gave Biceps King a hefty 300mg dose of EpiAndro along with high yield piperine (aka bioperine) and Swole Patrol with TetraSorb delivery caps.

You should try suspending it in oil with an ester attached.

 

[ZOO]

You should try suspending it in oil with an ester attached.

I’m not really set up for that type of production and there are some “technical” concerns but @nostrum420 made some dope andros with ester attachments in an old RC project. I think there were some inhibiting factors that prevented further development but I found them to be very interesting and seemed effective from my experience. It’s a been a hot minute though.

 

[mawalega]

I didn't even realize you added anything for absorbstion but glad to know. By chance do you have any knowledge of astragin possibly increasing bang for buck as well with non methyls in general? I was toying with maybe getting some if the case.

 

[StarScream66]

I’m not really set up for that type of production and there are some “technical” concerns but @nostrum420 made some dope andros with ester attachments in an old RC project. I think there were some inhibiting factors that prevented further development but I found them to be very interesting and seemed effective from my experience. It’s a been a hot minute though.

People back in the day used to take their 1-test ester with a tblspoon of flax seed oil so it would get absorbed via an oil as opposed to just a powdered capsule. It's too bad you can't at least put an ester on it. That should be pretty easy.

 

[nostrum420]

It could be done. I think it would probably be cost prohibitive, though.

 

[nostrum420]

People back in the day used to take their 1-test ester with a tblspoon of flax seed oil so it would get absorbed via an oil as opposed to just a powdered capsule. It's too bad you can't at least put an ester on it. That should be pretty easy.

Yes and no. Esterification reactions can be tough to push to completion. So, normally you end up with some combination of esterified hormone and base hormone that then needs to be separated or you have to keep tweaking the reaction until it goes 90%+ to completion.

Simple in theory but you can end up blowing through a lot of material nailing down those specifics. See: Breaking Bad S1E3. (Not an esterification but a good example of wasting starting material while refining ones' process.)

 

[StarScream66]

Yes and no. Esterification reactions can be tough to push to completion. So, normally you end up with some combination of esterified hormone and base hormone that then needs to be separated or you have to keep tweaking the reaction until it goes 90%+ to completion.

Simple in theory but you can end up blowing through a lot of material nailing down those specifics. See: Breaking Bad S1E3. (Not an esterification but a good example of wasting starting material while refining ones' process.)

Interesting. And I never thought someone would use an episode of Breaking Bad as a source.

 

[nostrum420]

Interesting. And I never thought someone would use an episode of Breaking Bad as a source.

Most of the chemistry in that show is pretty accurate with a few noteworthy exceptions.

 

[Nycnano]

Thinking of running acouple bottles of StanoPlex soon. Just realized I have a bottle of Swole Patrol (3AD). Is it worth to stack ?

 

[BCseacow83]

Unless you have a future use in mind might as well. With epi-andro and 3AD I would add something for a "test/estro base."
Hyperion
Dermacrine
4-dhea would all work IMO.