Ex Bodybuilder best way to come off Test for fertility and competitive kickboxing

[AwakeningAlpha]

Hi Gents,

My 35yo friend and training partner who has been on low dose test (90-300) base and anabolics for a few years while competing in mens physique wants to come off test to protect his fertility, and begin competing in kickboxing matches. I have never been on test so I am out of my depth, but I thought I could ask you guys what you think the best way to do this would be.

The kickboxing is still amateur and not tested so he's not looking to cheat just wants to be off PEDs to be more fair. The main goal is fertility and not running into side effects of E or low T by just going cold turkey or without PCT. We both know it is a long shot that his natural levels come back but he wants to try. He has clomid, enclo, and HCG on hand as well as AIs. His worry with those is boosting his E while test is crashed and getting gyno or other sides. He'd like to avoid using the AI's unless he starts feeling itchy or sore nips. Anything else he should consider having on hand or running?

Any input or experience appreciated. Thanks guys!

 

[Smont]

DM me, I got 2 protocols that should be very productive given he's able to recover, which he absolutely should be able to, it is not a long shot that is natural levels will come back unless he already had issues before he went on. There is a huge misconception in the anabolics world that once you go on steroids you become infertile and can't regain your natural production and it just isn't true. It absolutely does happen to people but not nearly as much as you would think it's only the people who have issues who are going to come and make posts about it the 10 million people who come off just fine don't have to complain about anything. I know guys in their 50s and 60s who have come off after being on for 20 or 30 years. And just to cover my own ass cuz I know someone's going to argue with me I'm not saying it's easy I'm not saying it's a guarantee and I'm not saying he's not going to have issues. I'm just saying it's not as complicated as people make it out to be. The majority of people will recover within 3 months to a year. And he's 35, not 60, so that means his chances are a little better

 

[Smont]

Also only one of the things he listed raises estrogen, and that thing is HCG which is actually the most important part of PCT so he's worried about the wrong things

 

[Ryan Russo]

Purely my own personal opinion, if it were me I would come off the test and run high dose HCG and HMG for the gonads, say 1000iu 3x a week and 50iu 3x a week for 2-4 weeks, then wait 1-2 weeks and start a SERM PCT for the HPTA axis. 4 weeks of Enclomiphene and Nolva at 12.5-25mg and 20-40mg. Then another month of low dose Enclo solo 6.5-12.5mg per day. Low dose AI on hand to control estrogen if needed, but definitely don't crash estrogen. Near the end of the last month of Enclo I would look at some injectable Glutathione, its supposed to be very good for sperm morphology and motility. Then get bloodwork and if needed a sperm analysis.