30 years Old got T levels checked.. worried??

[p1nchharmonic]

I paid out of pocket to get my testosterone levels checked because I was just curious. Also, in the past couple of years I have done about 4 cycles of SARMS. (RAD 140, LGD, MK-677, Cardarine, osterine). Got some decent gains from those cycles but nothing extraordinary. I've lifted naturally my whole life very, very consitently and got to my peak of 165 lbs at 5'6" at the age of 24 and stayed at that level until sarms happens. Now I'm back to about 167 and have been off SARMS for 3 or 4 months now.

Got the results back from my testostone level testing, and they claim that I am low! I'm not sure how much I believe that considering that I don't feel that many effects of low T, I'm still pretty strong for my size and have some decent muscle tone. I've attached recent pics of myself and the lab results.

Additional information- I had a semi significant amount of alcohol the night before my T test and probably slept about 5 1/2 hours. Not sure how that comes into play.

I'm supposed to get tested again this Thursday. Wondering if I need to do a second opinion or what.

 

[jrock645]

Yeah 319 is def low, though technically within normal range according to the labs and the insurance companies. If you feel ok, then don’t stress about it. There’s a guy on YouTube, the anabolic doc, runs a clinic in LA specializing in trt and he stresses that you don’t treat the number you treat the person.

 

[roidsarebad]

Yeah 319 is def low, though technically within normal range according to the labs and the insurance companies. If you feel ok, then don’t stress about it. There’s a guy on YouTube, the anabolic doc, runs a clinic in LA specializing in trt and he stresses that you don’t treat the number you treat the person.

Definitely agree here. No reason to jump on TRT if it’s not necessary, especially being so young. Would be worth keeping an eye on it and pay attention to low T symptoms, but even then TRT isn’t necessarily the answer. I started replacement therapy when I was 31, but I was below 250 and symptomatic. Came off 7 years later and with some dietary changes, have managed to remain in the normal range, but just barely. Just one dude’s experience and suggestion.

 

[Mathb33]

Definitely agree here. No reason to jump on TRT if it’s not necessary, especially being so young. Would be worth keeping an eye on it and pay attention to low T symptoms, but even then TRT isn’t necessarily the answer. I started replacement therapy when I was 31, but I was below 250 and symptomatic. Came off 7 years later and with some dietary changes, have managed to remain in the normal range, but just barely. Just one dude’s experience and suggestion.

So if what you say is true you went into TRT with bad low t symptoms, number below 250. 7 years later and SEVERELY shut down you just quit trt and not only managed to bounce back but also with better numbers than before? Pretty incredible tbh.

 

[roidsarebad]

So if what you say is true you went into TRT with bad low t symptoms, number below 250. 7 years later and SEVERELY shut down you just quit trt and not only managed to bounce back but also with better numbers than before? Pretty incredible tbh.

Damnit, 350 initially not 250. I didn’t proofread my comment I guess. It is strange though, before my first blood draw I had some of the general symptoms; lethargy, limp noodle, ZERO sex drive. Was fine on TRT of course, came off and still felt fine. Two years after stopping TRT the low T symptoms are back. Seems like I should have definitely felt shutdown way earlier. Either way, doing another blood draw in three weeks and I’m betting it’ll be back to TRT.

 

[thebigt]

So if what you say is true you went into TRT with bad low t symptoms, number below 250. 7 years later and SEVERELY shut down you just quit trt and not only managed to bounce back but also with better numbers than before? Pretty incredible tbh.

several years ago when my VA doc took me off trt 'cold turkey' my testosterone dropped to 75!!! fortunately after 3-4 months he put me back on at half dose.

 

[Mathb33]

several years ago when my VA doc took me off trt 'cold turkey' my testosterone dropped to 75!!! fortunately after 3-4 months he put me back on at half dose.

Yeah.. exactly. I’ve seen some lucky folks that were in the 300-400 go on trt for 2-3 years then dropping trt and be lucky enough to go back to their original levels (very lucky dudes) but to actually end up above the levels u we’re prior trt especially after several years god damn I have a hard time believing that.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah.. exactly. I’ve seen some lucky folks that were in the 300-400 go on trt for 2-3 years then dropping trt and be lucky enough to go back to their original levels (very lucky dudes) but to actually end up above the levels u we’re prior trt especially after several years god damn I have a hard time believing that.

not going to say it's not possible, but I agree that it would most likely be VERY rare.

 

[kisaj]

You are low, but again, you address symptoms and not numbers. Also keep in mind that test levels don't directly determine muscularity so as long as feel well then I wouldn't look to jump on yet. It is becoming more common for guys in their 20s to get on, but I firmly believe that you wait until you have to.

 

[Jstrong20]

If you drank a lot the night before chances are high it definatley had an effect. Also numbers fluctuate so I would t worry about it. Also you can have low t and still be muscular. Maybe high testosterone going through puberty might make a diffrence and I say might. But as an adult any thing in normal range isn’t going to make a diffrence in muscle building. I knew a guy that was big and he tested low

 

[Mathb33]

If you drank a lot the night before chances are high it definatley had an effect. Also numbers fluctuate so I would t worry about it. Also you can have low t and still be muscular. Maybe high testosterone going through puberty might make a diffrence and I say might. But as an adult any thing in normal range isn’t going to make a diffrence in muscle building. I knew a guy that was big and he tested low

I disagree that 300ish TT will have the same muscle building capabilities than 700-800ish if other hormones are in range too.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

If you drank a lot the night before chances are high it definatley had an effect. Also numbers fluctuate so I would t worry about it. Also you can have low t and still be muscular. Maybe high testosterone going through puberty might make a diffrence and I say might. But as an adult any thing in normal range isn’t going to make a diffrence in muscle building. I knew a guy that was big and he tested low

I just got re tested again today. This time I was well rested and havent drank any alchohol in several days. I was slightly under the weather though. It was crazy though, they were ready to start injecting me with testosterone today... had to interject and say, let's test one more time and then I'll decide... got a full panel of other hormones as well this time.

 

[Hyde]

I just got re tested again today. This time I was well rested and havent drank any alchohol in several days. I was slightly under the weather though. It was crazy though, they were ready to start injecting me with testosterone today... had to interject and say, let's test one more time and then I'll decide... got a full panel of other hormones as well this time.

Remember you are the ultimate decision-maker here. Even if numbers are bad, if you feel fine and life is good then forget the injections for now. It will always be there waiting for you when you actually need it.

Remember, HRT isn’t a guarantee that everything will feel good or work right - it’s entirely possible you could get on and in 12 months actually feel worse or have erectile issues you don’t now.

 

[thebigt]

Remember you are the ultimate decision-maker here. Even if numbers are bad, if you feel fine and life is good then forget the injections for now. It will always be there waiting for you when you actually need it.

Remember, HRT isn’t a guarantee that everything will feel good or work right - it’s entirely possible you could get on and in 12 months actually feel worse or have erectile issues you don’t now.

before I was put on trt I did research....it is actually common to be on trt and still have erection difficulty, it isn't rare for a guy to be on trt and also be prescribed something like Viagra....this kinda shocked me, as I thought testosterone injections was something that was going to cure all that ailed me. trt has been good to me for the most part, but then again I was 50 when I started 11 years ago.

 

[manifesto]

My guess he will start to feel symptoms of Low T now because he knows, in his mind, that he is low...funny how that works

 

[p1nchharmonic]

My guess he will start to feel symptoms of Low T now because he knows, in his mind, that he is low...funny how that works

I've been thinking about it more, yet I am still benching 300lbs at the gym (I weigh 165). However, I've been dealing with anxiety problems for years and have a feeling low t levels might be part of that

 

[thebigt]

I've been thinking about it more, yet I am still benching 300lbs at the gym (I weigh 165). However, I've been dealing with anxiety problems for years and have a feeling low t levels might be part of that

just going to say great number on bench for your weight and leave it at that.

 

[kisaj]

I was entering and placing in local strong man and PL competitions and playing rugby 4 days a week with 200 levels of test 10 years ago. Keep in mind that androgens are more important when it comes to muscle building- though exogenous test does increase this which is why even in physiological TRT ranges you can see big benefits.

OP- I personally applaud you for wanting to be thorough before jumping on. I tried for a full year to increase mine and ultimately made the choice because other areas of my life were suffering. I love it, but it doesn't mean it's for everyone even with low levels.

 

[manifesto]

Alot can be done on low T levels...look at female athletes..they have low T and do good...especially in endurance sports

 

[Hyde]

You look to be in great shape based on what I can see in the pics. You obviously are maintaining a good physique you are proud of on the levels you have.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

So I got my results back from my second test. Looks like I'm still low, actually even lower that last week.

 

[Hyde]

No, basically exactly the same. So you can indeed trust it’s not a fluke - you are low 300s, which is just high enough for some to live comfortably on and low enough to give problems for others. It’s still just about how you feel and if you want to commit to jabbing a needle every week til you die yet or not.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Another thing worth noting, I have been in the army 8 years now. If they cover TRT, that solves the issue.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Another thing worth noting, I have been in the army 8 years now. If they cover TRT, that solves the issue.

 

[Rad83]

I’m curious if you pct’d with serms for all those previous sarm cycles?

 

[p1nchharmonic]

I’m curious if you pct’d with serms for all those previous sarm cycles?

I have never used a real PCT for sarms. Just a 30 days of Finnaflex "revolution PCT". Also, not even really sure where I would even buy your "standard PCT" like clomid or nolva... pretty sure that stuff is not legal to just buy

 

[Hyde]

I have never used a real PCT for sarms. Just a 30 days of Finnaflex "revolution PCT". Also, not even really sure where I would even buy your "standard PCT" like clomid or nolva... pretty sure that stuff is not legal to just buy

Geezus Murphy, guy, you can get them legally as research chemicals all over the internet. $40 would have had you right as rain in no time. No more expensive than OTC supplements typically.

You should check out MA Research. Researching a 30-45 day course of 20mg Tamoxifen, 60mg Toremifene or 25mg Clomiphene could have numbers looking much better potentially.

 

[Hyde]

I have never used a real PCT for sarms. Just a 30 days of Finnaflex "revolution PCT". Also, not even really sure where I would even buy your "standard PCT" like clomid or nolva... pretty sure that stuff is not legal to just buy

Geezus Murphy, guy, you can get them legally as research chemicals all over the internet. $40 would have had you right as rain in no time. No more expensive than OTC supplements typically.

You should check out MA Research. Researching a 30-45 day course of 20mg Tamoxifen, 60mg Toremifene or 25mg Clomiphene could have numbers looking much better potentially.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Geezus Murphy, guy, you can get them legally as research chemicals all over the internet. $40 would have had you right as rain in no time. No more expensive than OTC supplements typically.

You should check out MA Research. Researching a 30-45 day course of 20mg Tamoxifen, 60mg Toremifene or 25mg Clomiphene could have numbers looking much better potentially.

Ok... is the same true with anabolics? Just buy them as research chemicals? Lol

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Geezus Murphy, guy, you can get them legally as research chemicals all over the internet. $40 would have had you right as rain in no time. No more expensive than OTC supplements typically.

You should check out MA Research. Researching a 30-45 day course of 20mg Tamoxifen, 60mg Toremifene or 25mg Clomiphene could have numbers looking much better potentially.

Ok... is the same true with anabolics? Just buy them as research chemicals? Lol

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Geezus Murphy, guy, you can get them legally as research chemicals all over the internet. $40 would have had you right as rain in no time. No more expensive than OTC supplements typically.

You should check out MA Research. Researching a 30-45 day course of 20mg Tamoxifen, 60mg Toremifene or 25mg Clomiphene could have numbers looking much better potentially.

Ok... is the same true with anabolics? Just buy them as research chemicals? Lol

 

[Hyde]

It is with the grey area ones still available like DMZ, Msten, M1A not expressly scheduled.

 

[Rad83]

I have never used a real PCT for sarms. Just a 30 days of Finnaflex "revolution PCT". Also, not even really sure where I would even buy your "standard PCT" like clomid or nolva... pretty sure that stuff is not legal to just buy

FACE-FUCKKING-PALM.

Sorry to be harsh, but this is why your levels haven’t fully recovered...

 

[p1nchharmonic]

FACE-FUCKKING-PALM.

Sorry to be harsh, but this is why your levels haven’t fully recovered...

Ok, I've heard from many places that a PCT like that isn't necessary because sarms are mildly suppressive. Wont taking something like clomid be bad for you if you've never taken actual steroids?

 

[Rad83]

Ok... is the same true with anabolics? Just buy them as research chemicals? Lol

Sarms are “research chemicals” too.

I think @Hydes suggestion will sort you out!

Glad you found the forum when you did...4 suppressive cycles with no serm...oy vey...

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Sarms are “research chemicals” too.

I think @Hydes suggestion will sort you out!

Glad you found the forum when you did...4 suppressive cycles with no serm...oy vey...

So I take it I should go ahead and run a serm. Any advice which one?

 

[Hyde]

So I take it I should go ahead and run a serm. Any advice which one?

They’ll all work. Clomid can cause emotional or vision sides in some, so Toremifene or Tamoxifen is my choice.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

They’ll all work. Clomid can cause emotional or vision sides in some, so Toremifene or Tamoxifen is my choice.

Dosage?

 

[p1nchharmonic]

They’ll all work. Clomid can cause emotional or vision sides in some, so Toremifene or Tamoxifen is my choice.

Dosage?

 

[p1nchharmonic]

They’ll all work. Clomid can cause emotional or vision sides in some, so Toremifene or Tamoxifen is my choice.

Dosage?

 

[Hyde]

Dosage?

Explained in my previous post about them.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

This might sound idiotic, but I just ordered another round of SARMS. Been off for about 3-4 months now. Got some rad140 and YK11. going to get bloodwork at the end of my cycle, then start a real SERM.

 

[Hyde]

This might sound idiotic, but I just ordered another round of SARMS. Been off for about 3-4 months now. Got some rad140 and YK11. going to get bloodwork at the end of my cycle, then start a real SERM.

Yk11 isn’t a SARM, fyi - it’s an oral DHT-derivative AAS that acts like a 19-Nor, a bit like Anadrol in that regard. It has a short half-life so you’ll want to divide up the dose as much as possible through the day.

Rad, like LGD, has nearly a day half-life, so I just take it once a day at the same time.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Yk11 isn’t a SARM, fyi - it’s an oral DHT-derivative AAS that acts like a 19-Nor, a bit like Anadrol in that regard. It has a short half-life so you’ll want to divide up the dose as much as possible through the day.

Rad, like LGD, has nearly a day half-life, so I just take it once a day at the same time.

I ve done the research and heard a lot of similar things. Either way I'm pumped to get back on, and more importantly see what my blood tests look like at the end.

 

[BBiceps]

Ok, I've heard from many places that a PCT like that isn't necessary because sarms are mildly suppressive. Wont taking something like clomid be bad for you if you've never taken actual steroids?

No, Clomid works great on it’s own. I have a script for a years worth and do Clomid only cycles a few times a year to boost my natural test levels, I do that for now so I can hold of on TRT for a little longer.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

No, Clomid works great on it’s own. I have a script for a years worth and do Clomid only cycles a few times a year to boost my natural test levels, I do that for now so I can hold of on TRT for a little longer.

I have some toremfone citrate on the way, know anything about that?

 

[BBiceps]

I have some toremfone citrate on the way, know anything about that?

I don’t know anything about it, but heard some ppl have had luck with it in PCT. Clomid is what I use and what I would recommend.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

I don’t know anything about it, but heard some ppl have had luck with it in PCT. Clomid is what I use and what I would recommend.

Any sides? Also do you have lab results from before pct and after? Just curious

 

[BBiceps]

No sides, feel pretty good on Clomid. I have blood both from PCT and Clomid only cycles, I’m in the high 400’s normally and got levels in the low 900’s after 8 weeks of Clomid. Last bloods I did was 41 last week of Anavar (100mg ed) and after 8 weeks of Clomid I was 1100!

 

[p1nchharmonic]

No sides, feel pretty good on Clomid. I have blood both from PCT and Clomid only cycles, I’m in the high 400’s normally and got levels in the low 900’s after 8 weeks of Clomid. Last bloods I did was 41 last week of Anavar (100mg ed) and after 8 weeks of Clomid I was 1100!

Wow... clomid is like TRT without the injections