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Unanswered 2nd cycle hows it look?

mxrider28

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Piecing together a second cycle. What are your thoughts?
Past cycle 500mg test for 12 weeks
Stats: 6ft 3. 200LB 8% BF. 25 years old

Cycle:
Weeks 1-12 500mg test (split 250mg x2)
Weeks 2-5 Turnibol 50MG (how should i split the doses)
Weeks 10-13 50MG anavar(split up)
Run arimidex weeks 1-14. Start at .25 EOD probably switch to .5 E3D ( did this last cycle and e2 was 52)
PCT: weeks 14-19 clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/10/10
On cycle supps: tudca and need to find something for the heart, possibly coq10
Needle: 1.25 inch 25 gauge in glutes

Hoping to put on 10-15 lean pounds and not hold alot of water and get that puffy look
 
mxrider28 said:
Piecing together a second cycle. What are your thoughts?
Past cycle 500mg test for 12 weeks
Stats: 6ft 3. 200LB 8% BF. 25 years old

Cycle:
Weeks 1-12 500mg test (split 250mg x2)
Weeks 2-5 Turnibol 50MG (how should i split the doses)
Weeks 10-13 50MG anavar(split up)
Run arimidex weeks 1-14. Start at .25 EOD probably switch to .5 E3D ( did this last cycle and e2 was 52)
PCT: weeks 14-19 clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/10/10
On cycle supps: tudca and need to find something for the heart, possibly coq10
Needle: 1.25 inch 25 gauge in glutes

Hoping to put on 10-15 lean pounds and not hold alot of water and get that puffy look
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Everything looks pretty spot on! I would recommend 250iu of HCG twice a week until you start pct. Also pct looks proper @ 6 weeks. 👍 It also would be healthier to choose one oral or stack them for 6 weeks then run them separately. I prefer the back end as myostatin kicks in around week 10.

I would add some test prop weeks 1-4 and finish with it as well dropping the long ester test week 10-11. This will make your transition into pct much more manageable.
 
ItalOne said:
Everything looks pretty spot on! I would recommend 250iu of HCG twice a week until you start pct. Also pct looks proper @ 6 weeks. 👍 It also would be healthier to choose one oral or stack them for 6 weeks then run them separately. I prefer the back end as myostatin kicks in around week 10.

I would add some test prop weeks 1-4 and finish with it as well dropping the long ester test week 10-11. This will make your transition into pct much more manageable.
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ok cool thanks. Ive read alot of differing opinons on HCG. I think ill opt out of that. I want to split the orals morning noon and night. Was thinking 20mg in the AM 20mg noon and 10mg at night?
 
ItalOne said:
Everything looks pretty spot on! I would recommend 250iu of HCG twice a week until you start pct. Also pct looks proper @ 6 weeks. It also would be healthier to choose one oral or stack them for 6 weeks then run them separately. I prefer the back end as myostatin kicks in around week 10.

I would add some test prop weeks 1-4 and finish with it as well dropping the long ester test week 10-11. This will make your transition into pct much more manageable.
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Pretty much this.
I always loved adding prop to my cycles. I’m impatient and it really does come on quick that way. For some time odd reason prop makes me hella strong compared to E or C. No explanation for this either.
I can’t emphasize the oral part of what ItalOne said enough. Orals are drastic. The gains you make are too rapid and can’t be maintained. Stacking them just adds to the unrealistic goal of keeping all of what’s gained. Ya. It’s great to transform in 5 weeks but what’s the point if you lose that look 6 weeks later. Running them at reasonable doses for longer and not stacking them yields better long term results.

Try running Superdrol at 20-30mg for 4 weeks and you look like a different person at the end but then you lose it. 10mg and you’ll have all that size and strength you gained 6 months later.

Your post cycle is aggressive and some may say it’s overkill. I personally love it. Deal with some Clomid side effects but with a total test of 980 at the end of your post cycle is worth it IMO.
 
Ok sweet good advice. Yeah my total test rn is 548 and free test 125. So the reason for the aggressive pct is so hopefully it won’t drop any lower after cycle. You recommend var or tbol if i has to pick one?
 
Matthersby said:
Pretty much this.
I always loved adding prop to my cycles. I’m impatient and it really does come on quick that way. For some time odd reason prop makes me hella strong compared to E or C. No explanation for this either.
I can’t emphasize the oral part of what ItalOne said enough. Orals are drastic. The gains you make are too rapid and can’t be maintained. Stacking them just adds to the unrealistic goal of keeping all of what’s gained. Ya. It’s great to transform in 5 weeks but what’s the point if you lose that look 6 weeks later. Running them at reasonable doses for longer and not stacking them yields better long term results.

Try running Superdrol at 20-30mg for 4 weeks and you look like a different person at the end but then you lose it. 10mg and you’ll have all that size and strength you gained 6 months later.

Your post cycle is aggressive and some may say it’s overkill. I personally love it. Deal with some Clomid side effects but with a total test of 980 at the end of your post cycle is worth it IMO.
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Is it still considered stacking the orals even though I’m not running them at the same time? I figured going 4 weeks on 4 off then finish with 4 weeks on orals would give the liver a break while letting me try two different orals but not together
 
mxrider28 said:
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Is it still considered stacking the orals even though I’m not running them at the same time? I figured going 4 weeks on 4 off then finish with 4 weeks on orals would give the liver a break while letting me try two different orals but not together
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Your liver might end up being fine, but you’d need experience and bloodwork to know for sure.
 
Cycle looks great, but I’d start the turinabol at week one. It’s half life is 16 hours, so twice daily is more than sufficient. I’d personally say the pct is overkill though; I’d drop either nolva or clomid and stick to the doses and duration.
 
All good points. TUDCA is cheap too and it helps a lot, add it in just to be safe since you’re running orals.

Pct is a bit long, but not bad if you want to be safe. I’d drop the nolva to 20/20/20/10/10/10 or just 20/20/10/10

Rotate sites more too, not just all glutes cause you don’t want too much scar tissue build up
 
ChocolateClen said:
All good points. TUDCA is cheap too and it helps a lot, add it in just to be safe since you’re running orals.

Pct is a bit long, but not bad if you want to be safe. I’d drop the nolva to 20/20/20/10/10/10 or just 20/20/10/10

Rotate sites more too, not just all glutes cause you don’t want too much scar tissue build up
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This again.
I’ve overused the same spot in my glutes especially on my right for years. I just can’t stand other spots. There’s tons of space but I always just go a half inch from the last spot 4 days earlier. Long story short, I could feel the crunching of going through scar tissue yesterday when I pinned and I said F IT, and just plunged.
I **** you not when I pulled the needle out after the injection site sprayed blood like a mini artery 6 inches out onto the ground. I’ve been abusing my glutes and not rotating all over the VG area all the way up to the hip. Just out of laziness. It’s starting to cause problems apparently.
 
mxrider28 said:
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Is it still considered stacking the orals even though I’m not running them at the same time? I figured going 4 weeks on 4 off then finish with 4 weeks on orals would give the liver a break while letting me try two different orals but not together
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No you’re good. This is known as kicker and finisher. People have been doing it forever.
I prefer them. And speaking as someone that’s ran labs on dozens of runs, my liver enzymes always return to normal inside of 4 weeks. As far as I’m concerned that’s good enough. Liver damage comes from LONG term nonstop abuse. It recovers quickly once you remove the stressor. Theoretically people could run quick cycles every other month and be fine. It’s just **** on your cholesterol is the real issue.
 
Matthersby said:
This again.
I’ve overused the same spot in my glutes especially on my right for years. I just can’t stand other spots. There’s tons of space but I always just go a half inch from the last spot 4 days earlier. Long story short, I could feel the crunching of going through scar tissue yesterday when I pinned and I said F IT, and just plunged.
I **** you not when I pulled the needle out after the injection site sprayed blood like a mini artery 6 inches out onto the ground. I’ve been abusing my glutes and not rotating all over the VG area all the way up to the hip. Just out of laziness. It’s starting to cause problems apparently.
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I use delts, and quads. I actually tried Lats and traps and **** those hurt. Quads doesn’t hurt to bad for me, I don’t know why
 
ChocolateClen said:
I use delts, and quads. I actually tried Lats and traps and **** those hurt. Quads doesn’t hurt to bad for me, I don’t know why
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It’s not a pain issue for me. The second I hit that nerve right vastus lateralis, I yank that thing out and then I’m faced with wiping it down with alcohol and repinning or drawing it up again. It’s like 2/3 that I hit a rugged nerve.
 
Matthersby said:
It’s not a pain issue for me. The second I hit that nerve right vastus lateralis, I yank that thing out and then I’m faced with wiping it down with alcohol and repinning or drawing it up again. It’s like 2/3 that I hit a rugged nerve.
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I hit a nerve in my quad once so bad I thought the needle was gonna snap off inside me cause my leg shot up so fast lol
 
I never minded delts at all. Ya pip is a smidge unpleasant but I train the dog shyt outta delts so they always hurt. My problem with them is they develop scar tissue 10x faster than my glutes. Oil used to leak out by the end of 14 week cycles back in the day.
 
Love delts now, I was using some real nice ugl stuff so pip was minimal if any.

OP - I agree with pretty all the above. You’ve obviously done your research and it’s a proper sensible good cycle. I’d personally want to run the orals longer as weeks 4-6 are where I find most of the gains, that was true with t Bol for me anyway (not run var yet). Both those orals are on the lower side of the spectrum for harshness though so I don’t think a lesser gap etc would be problematic, just make sure you’ve got TUDCA on the go.

Oh and at your height, weight and body fat percentage you must look shredded af? I’m 6’2 and my goal is 220lbs at 8% (200lbs at 10% and I looked decent, just want a bit more overall size on my frame).....
 
Whisky said:
Love delts now, I was using some real nice ugl stuff so pip was minimal if any.

OP - I agree with pretty all the above. You’ve obviously done your research and it’s a proper sensible good cycle. I’d personally want to run the orals longer as weeks 4-6 are where I find most of the gains, that was true with t Bol for me anyway (not run var yet). Both those orals are on the lower side of the spectrum for harshness though so I don’t think a lesser gap etc would be problematic, just make sure you’ve got TUDCA on the go.

Oh and at your height, weight and body fat percentage you must look shredded af? I’m 6’2 and my goal is 220lbs at 8% (200lbs at 10% and I looked decent, just want a bit more overall size on my frame).....
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Haha yeah dude have no problem being single digit bf year round but so hard to put on weight. How much Tudca you recommend? And pill form or powder?
 
Thanks for the reply’s guys. Think I’ll go with tbol week 1-4 and var 10-13. That gives my liver a 5 week break
 
mxrider28 said:
Haha yeah dude have no problem being single digit bf year round but so hard to put on weight. How much Tudca you recommend? And pill form or powder?
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Personally I’ve always used pill form but i don’t think there is a big difference. On that cycle personally I’d just use 400mg ed, would double that for a harsher cycle but see no need here.
 
Mathb33 said:
You’re just a weirdo. The two easiest / less pip spots ( glutes and delts ) are the ones hurting bad for you. weirdo
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Don’t hurt my feelings man. but yeah probably lol. I’ve never pinned glutes again after the first time, duck that shut

trumac said:
It’s the truth. 25ga 1” to the delts. I can do quads but I can feel that for days after and haven’t tried VG yet
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I feel delts for like a god damn week after. **** hurts. Probably doesn’t help that I had shoulder surgery but STILL goddamn. Rather inject in to my wiener
 
Yeah when I started glutes hurt like a bitch for the first 5 weeks I could barely walk the first 3 days after injections but after that they been some bad ass bitches this cycle I was going multiple CCs each glute every week without any pip
 
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