2010 College Football Season

From AF -- Notice how the quotes could have been (and hopefully were) taken out of context. Saying it will "take more than a scholarship" could mean any number of things. I'd say for Cam's dad it means off the field development and an environment that would help Cam stay on the right track. This is a father whose son left Florida after a run in with the law, so obviously he wants to be sure his son isn't going into a situation where he'll run a risk of getting into trouble. The "money was too much" bit could pertain to the actual cost of attending school at MSU. Remember that one of the reasons given for Cam choosing Auburn was its proximity to home. Cam liked MSU and Coach Mullen, but ultimately let his father decide where he'd attend school. The kid drives a scooter around campus, not some nice car or SUV, so who's to say that money isn't tight at the Newton household and his parents would rather him stay close to home so he can make the trip home on the weekend to get some groceries if he needs to? Plus they save money on travel if they don't have to find the money to make it to Starkville for games.

Until concrete proof is offered I don't believe this. I really don't believe Coach Chizik, or anyone on this staff would offer to pay Newton to play football here...folks like Malzahn, Taylor and Luper are all good coaches who will most likely be head coaches one day, so I find it very hard to believe they'd allow themselves to be a part of a pay for play scheme. It would be career suicide. Take it with a grain of salt, it's easy to take things out of context and make them appear to say something they aren't. If our athletic department has known about this since July, I doubt they would have let Cam Newton see the field if there was any doubt that he wasn't eligible. War Eagle!
 
The real thing I just can't grasp is how Malzahn/Taylor and the rest of the assistants could ever support thing as if caught it'd be career suicide for some of the brighter coaching names in the profession. Also, Newton was NOT expected to be THIS good. We didn't even know he'd end up being our starter til the end of training camp. It doesn't make sense to take THAT big of a risk over someone who might not even be an impact player. Just seems like nothing makes sense and this story refuses to die.
 
Meyer Refutes Playing Role In Newton Probe, Calls It "Ridiculous"

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In the middle of trying to get ready for his biggest game of the season, Florida coach Urban Meyer has had to deal with surprising rumors that he was a catalyst for the NCAA's investigation of Auburn quarterback Cam Newton and that he leaked information to media members about other issues the former UF quarterback had when he was in school at Gainesville.

"Obviously, it's a joke," Meyer told The Gainesville Sun on Tuesday morning. "I don't know anything about anything. I heard they've got me meeting with the agent and all that. I never met with anybody. It's ridiculous."

Newton continues to be a major story in college football, as he has quarterbacked Auburn to a 10-0 record and is the top Heisman Trophy candidate. But stories surfaced last week that a man named Kenny Rogers was asking for up to $200,000 of schools to get Newton.

Then the story today is that Newton had three academic cheating allegations against him at UF, forcing him to leave.

Meyer said he was aware of several off-the-field issues with Newton.

"But we had a great relationship right up until the time he left," Meyer said. "Cam and I and his family always had a great relationship. I don't know where this is all coming from. But it didn't come from me. I know nothing about nothing."

A source close to the Newton family told The Sun that Newton's decision to leave Florida was not a forced one, that he had a choice. Meyer reiterated Tuesday that he never asked Newton to leave the football program.

In a statement released later in the day by UF, Meyer said, "“Our entire focus right now is on preparing for our biggest game of the year against South Carolina. For anyone to think that I or anyone on our staff may have leaked information about private student records to the media doesn't know us very well. It's a ridiculous claim and simply not true.”
 
Ok, with that complete denial he has basically put his job on the line if anything leads back to him. Does anyone here seriously think Urban Meyer would risk his job over a troubled quarterback that left UF 2 years ago??
 
I honestly thought all this was BS and would blow over. Unfortunately it hasn't blown over, it's blown up. Everybody pointing fingers at everybody. Sure shines a disparaging light on SEC IMO.
 
I love it! great photo.... oh and by the way played football against your boy Mark its nice to know that a Heisman winner told me I was the hardiest hitter he has ever played against.. this was before he went to college tho...
 
Okay h0other, I cheated... and clicked on "View Post."

Dude, you have to know I really don't care to see bad things happen to young athletes. Like you, if the situation were reversed, I'm just having a little fun with it. At first, I thought this was all smoke and mirrors, and I posted my thoughts on it. Even when I said Cam had been "exposed," I was just horsing around, trying to agitate. Now though, with Bill Bell essentially confirming Roger's claims... there's definitely fire. If it's proven that Cam was shopped around by Cecil, Cam's gonna pay. That's sad too, because he didn't even want to go to AU. If Bell produces audio of Cecil claiming that Auburn was offering 200K, but that MSU could get Cam for the bargain price of 180K... and it's found out that the 50K in church repairs was not in fact done "pro bono"... Auburn is gonna get slammed USC-style. The FBI isn't gonna care one way or another. MSU, Florida, and the SEC brass are gonna end up looking bad as well.

If... if... Chizik and Jacobs were desperate enough to go to these measures to keep up with the Jones', and went "all in" no matter what... Auburn is done for a very long time. And no one wins if that happens, including the team I support. The level of risk they were willing to assume if that pans out is just incomprehensible to me. (Btw, those pics of Dakota Mosley and Dyer holding up stacks of cash on their Facebook pages days after Nat' Signing Day isn't gonna go unnoticed in all of this.)

So, I hope it's not true that he was being shopped... but I kinda think we all know it probably is.

Crazily enough, this TCU board called it 3 days ago... Invalid Link Removed

Here's my prediction:

If the accusations are true... Auburn will find a scapegoat. There's a booster out there who came up with that dough. AU will do an "internal investigation," and will sell him out as a "maverick booster."

It's the only option they'll have to attempt to save face.
 
Saturday should determine SEC Championship

Well, it looks like this weekend will tell us who is in the SEC Championship - for sure the East with the winner of Florida-South Carolina, and Auburn gets in for the West if they beat Georgia. If they don't beat Georgia they'll have to get past "Bama in T-Town to get in. :shock:

With all the disappointments and frustration this year in Gainesville just an appearance in Atlanta would be a welcome surprise.

I'm headed to a PSU-OSU game party here in PA Saturday afternoon, but I'll be slipping out early to catch the action later on at The Swamp.
 
This is my hopes for the scenario. It all makes sense to me like this more than any other way. I'm really sick to my stomach in general though about all this.

"I will get ripped for this in other places, and I'm not saying this is fact, but let me suggest this:

What if Cecil Newton did ask MSU for money and, for whatever reason, decided to back out. Conscience? Logistics? Things just seemed skeevy? Who knows. He obviously can't go back to MSU after leading them on for so long. So he goes to Plan B, Auburn, and The Newtons elect to make that move cleanly. Cecil doesn't ask for money. Doesn't want the headaches. Figures NFL cash is coming one day soon. Just hold out until then.

And let's say The Newtons are up front with Auburn about what happened with MSU. And Auburn self-reports it.

Now you're looking at a clean recruitment from Auburn's perspective. Is Cam on the hook for sanctions simply based on the dalliance with MSU? Donald Jackson would say no.

Auburn then would be 100% justified in being strong about Newton playing. They know what happened. They know they're in the clear. They've fessed up.

I'm just saying it's possible. "
 
h0other said:
I'm just saying it's possible.
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Without really having any concrete facts (atleast leaked to the public anyway), anything is possible right now. I honestly hope that these allegations aren't true. It's bad for the entire league.

Things are spiraling quickly though. Either way, Auburn has no choice, but to play Newton. If they bench him, then they are admitting there is a problem. Plus, he has already played 10 games (which would have to be forfeited), so why not continue playing?
 
Man Auburn is the place to be that must be what 20-30 grand? No wonder the SEC gets all the 5 star recruits. Reminds me of when I was a youngster and Earl Bruce was quoted as saying that the SWC in South West Conference stood for Sure Will Cheat. Back then it was Oklahoma who was paying the best not it appears to the SEC. In honor of Earl Bruce - Sure Everyone Cheats? :lol:

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h0other said:
This is my hopes for the scenario. It all makes sense to me like this more than any other way. I'm really sick to my stomach in general though about all this.

"I will get ripped for this in other places, and I'm not saying this is fact, but let me suggest this:

What if Cecil Newton did ask MSU for money and, for whatever reason, decided to back out. Conscience? Logistics? Things just seemed skeevy? Who knows. He obviously can't go back to MSU after leading them on for so long. So he goes to Plan B, Auburn, and The Newtons elect to make that move cleanly. Cecil doesn't ask for money. Doesn't want the headaches. Figures NFL cash is coming one day soon. Just hold out until then.

And let's say The Newtons are up front with Auburn about what happened with MSU. And Auburn self-reports it.

Now you're looking at a clean recruitment from Auburn's perspective. Is Cam on the hook for sanctions simply based on the dalliance with MSU? Donald Jackson would say no.

Auburn then would be 100% justified in being strong about Newton playing. They know what happened. They know they're in the clear. They've fessed up.

I'm just saying it's possible. "
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I believe it is more than just possible because - call me an idealist - I would find it hard to believe Auburn would put itself in a such a potentially horrible position.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
Man Auburn is the place to be that must be what 20-30 grand? No wonder the SEC gets all the 5 star recruits. Reminds me of when I was a youngster and Earl Bruce was quoted as saying that the SWC in South West Conference stood for Sure Will Cheat. Back then it was Oklahoma who was paying the best not it appears to the SEC. In honor of Earl Bruce - Sure Everyone Cheats? :lol:
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I thought we would be hearing that from you, like, last Wednesday : )
 
h0other said:
This is my hopes for the scenario. It all makes sense to me like this more than any other way. I'm really sick to my stomach in general though about all this.

"I will get ripped for this in other places, and I'm not saying this is fact, but let me suggest this:

What if Cecil Newton did ask MSU for money and, for whatever reason, decided to back out. Conscience? Logistics? Things just seemed skeevy? Who knows. He obviously can't go back to MSU after leading them on for so long. So he goes to Plan B, Auburn, and The Newtons elect to make that move cleanly. Cecil doesn't ask for money. Doesn't want the headaches. Figures NFL cash is coming one day soon. Just hold out until then.

And let's say The Newtons are up front with Auburn about what happened with MSU. And Auburn self-reports it.

Now you're looking at a clean recruitment from Auburn's perspective. Is Cam on the hook for sanctions simply based on the dalliance with MSU? Donald Jackson would say no.

Auburn then would be 100% justified in being strong about Newton playing. They know what happened. They know they're in the clear. They've fessed up.

I'm just saying it's possible. "
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Although anything's possible... and I'm not an expert at NCAA matters... I think there would be a couple of dilemmas with that scenario:

1. Cecil still attempted to shop him, and although no one may be able to prove Cam was even aware of it, it's still an NCAA violation (as he was Cam's representative)... and he would still be deemed ineligible. While AU might be unaffected in the long run, they would still have to sit him, and may be in jeopardy of forfeiting the previous 10 wins, as his ineligible status would be deemed retroactive back to the violation.

2. There's no way Cecil pulled Cam away from MSU (a place he really wanted to go because of Mullen) to put him at AU unless there was money/benefits involved. Just doesn't make much sense.

Honestly, while it would appear ridiculously stupid for Auburn to do this... it's actually just extremely desperate measures by extremely desperate men... Jacobs and Chizik. With Bama getting Saban and winning a NC, they had to do something to compete. I really think they went ALL IN to get the recruits they needed. It's a hell of a risk... but look... it almost paid off.

Still waiting for the "maverick booster" defense. Jacobs will throw anyone and everyone under the bus to save face.

Like I said, this isn't something that pleases me as a Bama fan. The UA-AU rivalry is like no other, and this drama may end up damaging that match-up's allure for years to come. It sure won't make the SEC look good.

We all know great athletes get "extras" at major programs, but when greed takes over, situations like this come to light.

My $0.02 --------> If AU is guilty, then Auburn deserves better than Jacobs and his cronies.
 
Via a lawyer who was on Finebaum -- If Cecil talked to people about the possibility but nothing happened there will no consequences to Newton or his eligibility. Also, if Cecil tried and MSU didn't want to then why did they continue to recruit him for months after? Auburn makes a hell of alot of sense.. Auburn had a GREAT recruiting class last year and a MUCH better supporting cast than MSU. His chance of being a high draft choice out of Auburn was light years better, it's also much closer to home. Auburn is NOT the team who is making these decisions in whether to put Newton on the field each week. With as much information as the NCAA/SEC has had for the past few months and Newton still playing every week, it shows alot. If he is introduced as the starting QB tommorow it will show ALOT. I still feel very uneasy about this but part of me thinks it will all work out. If Auburn does end up being in the wrong and being that stupid about the situation then I will not be attending an Auburn game for many years to come.
 
Looks like AU has received a formal warning from the NCAA about playing Newton:

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"RT @YahooSportsNFL: Latest w/ Cam Newton: NCAA has made Auburn aware of potential eligibility issue. Now Auburn decides risk."
 
h0other said:
Via a lawyer who was on Finebaum -- If Cecil talked to people about the possibility but nothing happened there will no consequences to Newton or his eligibility.
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An NCAA spokesman I saw quoted on another forum yesterday said that solicitation of an extra benefit from anyone representing the student-athlete is a disqualifying act in and of itself.
 
I don't know, just was re-stating what I heard. I'm no lawyer. Whole situation just makes me sick to my stomach. If I spent $1,000+ on tickets to watch a team whos games didn't even count, that makes me sick. If Cecil really did do this garbage I'd like to be in a room alone with him and whoop his ass for ruining our season and this team.
 
Not looking good for Auburn. I just hope they figure this out soon so it doesnt ruin the season for everyone. If this is true then Cecil should be removed as a preacher or whatever he is at his church.
 
Hey guys, I was thinking we could field a team to play against Boise St. next week? This is embarassing to watch. I just watched the Idaho QB not throw within 15 yards in any direction of the intended receiver 3 straight plays. However, the 11,000 seat stadium does look pretty intimidating.
 
h0other said:
Hey guys, I was thinking we could field a team to play against Boise St. next week? This is embarassing to watch. I just watched the Idaho QB not throw within 15 yards in any direction of the intended receiver 3 straight plays. However, the 11,000 seat stadium does look pretty intimidating.
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One major reason for this Bama fan to hope Auburn pulls through the drama and Oregon doesn't choke. I can't even fathom the idea of these cupcake-beating blue bastards playing in Glendale. While I'd love to see yet another SEC nat'l champion, it's not like I'm gonna pull for AU in the Iron Bowl. Of course, if they win out... I'll back 'em. I'm loyal to my conference.

If that doesn't work out... I'm all about Oregon (unstoppable force) vs. TCU (immovable object). I'm sold on the Horned Frogs as a legit contender.
 
I love how Auburn knees it when they have the chance to score in blowouts but Boise tries to stuff every point possible against a team who plays its games in a barn.
 
Last 3 tweets from Finebaum...

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WSB-TV : Cecil Newton said his son’s hands are clean, Cam and his mother knew nothing about the money discussions, nor did Auburn University
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WSB-TV : A source told reporter Mark Winne that Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with ex-MSU player about pay for play at MSU
2 minutes ago via web

WSB-TV in Atlanta: Source says Cam Newton's father admits discussing money for son's college commitment.
 
rubberring said:
Last 3 tweets from Finebaum...

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WSB-TV : Cecil Newton said his son’s hands are clean, Cam and his mother knew nothing about the money discussions, nor did Auburn University
less than 20 seconds ago via web

WSB-TV : A source told reporter Mark Winne that Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with ex-MSU player about pay for play at MSU
2 minutes ago via web

WSB-TV in Atlanta: Source says Cam Newton's father admits discussing money for son's college commitment.
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game over if true.
 
Actually, the above reports are from an AU grad who remains active with the university. It sounds like Cecil is falling on the sword for Cam and AU. Now that he's admitted it, why wouldn't we believe that Cam did tell the MSU coach that he couldn't come "because the money was too much?"

Whatever. This whole thing makes my brain hurt. I'd love to have the movie rights.
 
No offense, h0other... but this wreaks of an attempted cover-up. Cecil now seems willing to be the fall guy, and is distancing himself from the rest of the family and AU. The way Cam was grinning when he got on the team bus today, and the way AU officials are conducting themselves, it seems they believe they've found a loophole. The problem with that is ---- the act of solicitation by Cecil... even though no money was exchanged between him and MSU... should render Cam ineligible according to NCAA language. If Alabama had to sit Andre Smith because his uncle talked to an agent, I'd think this is a little more serious.

Either way... if this report is legit... I definitely believe money was exchanged between Auburn and Cecil. It will probably take months or even years to prove, unless the FBI starts getting medieval.
 
I really don't think so. I think the NCAA has known about this the whole season and have done nothing yet. If he plays tommorow we will be fine IMO.
 
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I really don't think so. I think the NCAA has known about this the whole season and have done nothing yet. If he plays tommorow we will be fine IMO.
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I don't think so. This isn't gonna just go away. The media isn't just going to be okay with, "It's all daddy's doing." This is a pretty clear violation whether or not Cam was directly involved, and the NCAA isn't going to have egg on its face like they did with Reggie. In the big picture, this might save AU's program (if there's no money trail to be found), but I think Cam's eligibility will remain in jeopardy. If in fact the NCAA warned AU today about playing him, Auburn risks future penalties by starting him tomorrow.
 
I think AU would beat Georgia w/o Cam... so it might be the safe play to sit him for a game. It will give them two weeks to clear the air concerning eligibility. It would suck to have to forfeit a win over UGA and potentially lose the season. I don't know.
 
I don't think so.. I think it'd kill our fan base. You got to know though that the compliance department at Auburn knows ALOT more than we do. So him playing or not tommorow will show a ton.
 
h0other said:
I don't think so.. I think it'd kill our fan base. You got to know though that the compliance department at Auburn knows ALOT more than we do. So him playing or not tommorow will show a ton.
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It will show either:

a.) "This is all h0other's fault. If he hadn't been such a douche over at AM, none of this would've happened. He was with Cecil in Starkville. He also did some plumbing work "pro bono." Someone pull this guy's card immediately. A$$hole!"

b.) "We have complete confidence that our guy is eligible."

c.) "We're so screwed now, we might as well stick to our guns, play him, and go for 14-0."

d.) "We had no idea Cecil was such a douche. Cam is now ineligible."

And btw... your fan base is BIGGER than one player... any player.
 
Something I just thought of...

Who would gain most if Newton were to sit the rest of the way?

It ain't Bama... or any other SEC team. Remember too: the link I posted yesterday, the one where the poster said he knew Bill from Destin would be talking to the FBI... that was from a...

TCU board.


Hmmmmmmm...





(I figured I'd add a bit of drama to the drama-fest. Why not? :cool2:)
 
This is just getting started. I cant see this ending too soon. Although with the FBI now involved it might not take as long.

Obviously Auburn knows a lot more than us, I think they feel things will tlurn out well. It could just be trying to save face too. Who knows? Ultimately I think they have to play with what got them here. Cam. Auburn has a lot of talent but without Cam this team has a few losses on their schedule. I think they have to ride the ship that got them there against UGA even if unsure. They could conceivably win but UGA has a pretty good O.

If Cam is ruled ineligible then they forefit all wins. I hope this gets cleared, that could help LSU. Honestly, we lost that game. Plain and simple, I wouldnt want that win.

If all this is true, then I feel for the Auburn kids. Who will lose out on a season because of a piece of crap like Cecil. Although without Cecil they dont get Cam.
 
What I can't figure is why would Auburn NOT play Cam???

If it turns out he was like his moron Dad and did something wrong, Auburn would lose 80% of the season anyway. So what's another 3 games?? And if he is clean and they don't play him, Auburn could lose on the field. (Plus he looks guilty sitting and not playing anyway).

So what's the upside for Auburn not to play Cam??? Forfeiting 10 games instead of 12??
 
You have to love conference supremacy arguments. Someone in the College Gameday crowd(OSU/PSU) has a sign saying the SEC is slow.lol

Ill gladly take being slow and winning 6 of 12 BCSCGs. Not to mention 4 straight with 3 seperate teams winning. In the 6 titles they have been won by 4 different SEC teams.

Its not speed that seperates the SEC, its depth. Especially on the DL and OL. The SEC powerhouse schools dominate on the DL with so much depth in their rotation. The SEC also usually has more depth in the secondary.
 
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