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2 weeks in on H-drol and im Sick

skatorb69

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I need some help deciding if i should quit my cycle or keep going. I have been sick now for about 4 days, and i just feel like im wasting if i just stop now. I know steroids make it harder for your body to recover, so im guessing im gonna be hearing exactly what im fearing from all you guys.
If i do quit now should i run a low dose of nolvadex just to make sure?? And any recommendations on the dosages, since it isnt even close to a finished cycle? Also how long would i have to wait to start a new cycle after stopping this partial cycle? My BP is good, ive been keeping track.
 
skatorb69 said:
I need some help deciding if i should quit my cycle or keep going. I have been sick now for about 4 days, and i just feel like im wasting if i just stop now. I know steroids make it harder for your body to recover, so im guessing im gonna be hearing exactly what im fearing from all you guys.
If i do quit now should i run a low dose of nolvadex just to make sure?? And any recommendations on the dosages, since it isnt even close to a finished cycle? Also how long would i have to wait to start a new cycle after stopping this partial cycle? My BP is good, ive been keeping track.
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Whats wrong with you? If its going to be over soon, then id suggest low dosing (like 50 mg/day) until you're better (assuming the sickness is less than a week). If not, then quit. As far as PCT, can't really be sure if you've shut down at all without blood work. I'm inclined to say you'd be fine...but i'm not 100%. Nolva would be overkill however.


what did you have lined up for pCT?
 
Actually i'm going to take 20mg's of nolva for pct for 4 weeks,and creatine. Is that overkill, should i reduce the amount of weeks for the nolva? And now lately reading about Formex, which sounded pretty good, i was considering buying some of that to run also.
 
skatorb69 said:
Actually i'm going to take 20mg's of nolva for pct for 4 weeks,and creatine. Is that overkill, should i reduce the amount of weeks for the nolva? And now lately reading about Formex, which sounded pretty good, i was considering buying some of that to run also.
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Seems WAY overkill. 4 weeks of nolva is way more damaging than 2 weeks of hdrol unless you were taking like 200 mg/day. Grab an AI and maybe something like PCT Assist, which still might be overkill...
 
I am thinking on continuing the cycle, im starting to feel a bit better, so i think i should be good to continue. Btw Nick, the 4 weeks nolva, i ment thats what i was going to be running that at the end of my entire 5 week cycle of hdrol.
 
skatorb69 said:
I am thinking on continuing the cycle, im starting to feel a bit better, so i think i should be good to continue. Btw Nick, the 4 weeks nolva, i ment thats what i was going to be running that at the end of my entire 5 week cycle of hdrol.
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That might be overkill as well. Nolva can ahve worst sides than hdrol for alot of users. However, if you have done your research and made that decision consciously then I won't try to convince you otherwise.
 
right nick, i've been doing a LOT more reading here and at DA, and not a lot of posting.

but skator is showing that he clearly doesn't understand nolva's role in a PCT regimen.
 
How does one post saying that i will be running Nolva for PCT show you that I "Clearly" dont understand its role in a cycle? My questions prior were pertaining to ending the cycle early due to sickness (ie. not normal circumstances.) But as i said i will be running the cycle to completion now. It really baffles me why you would even post something that doesnt even contribute to the tread 88,if you have no information to contribute to the questions at hand dont bother wasting other peoples or your own time.Btw 88 tell me, what is "your" definition of the role of Nolva in pct.
Thanks for all the quick replys Nickrut, and the rest of the people that replied right away,so i could make the decision of what to do with the whole crappy situation.
 
sorry, i'll be a bit more helpful:

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From my understanding, it keeps estrogen from binding with receptors located in the nipples.

Sides include:

Reduced libido
And, well, it's a known carcinogen.



I think the big reason that I wrote that you have no idea about the role of nolva in PCT is that you wrote that all you have lined up for hdrol pct is nolva and creatine. You have no AI or test booster. It appears that, from your posts, you did not do enough research about what type of PCT hdrol requires.

Nick was a lot more polite. I'd just hate for you to either not keep gains or mess yourself up and then blame the h drol.
 
lpflyer88 said:
I think the big reason that I wrote that you have no idea about the role of nolva in PCT is that you wrote that all you have lined up for hdrol pct is nolva and creatine. You have no AI or test booster. It appears that, from your posts, you did not do enough research about what type of PCT hdrol requires.

Nick was a lot more polite. I'd just hate for you to either not keep gains or mess yourself up and then blame the h drol.
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Nolva alone would most likely be MOREEEE than enough for PCT, so it could definitely be used. However, it is more harsh for alot users so I'd consider it overkill. Nolva alone is generally good enough for ALOT of PH/DS's...its just a matter of getting past the sides/legality issue.
 
ahhh. i didn't know it also functioned as an AI and test booster. i assumed it was used primarily to inhibit the onset of gyno. is that what is meant by anti-estrogenic properties (test boost) and dna synthesis (ai) in the wikipedia entry?
 
Ya, sorry to jump all over your **** for that Flyer, was in a fairly poor mood that day,and i have done an extensive research to make sure my pct is sufficient, lol. But yeah my intention was to run Nolva for PCt Nickrut (at a fairly low does 20mg/1 tab ED), i already purchased it about 6 months ago, so obtaining it isnt a prob, i have run it for a few days when i had what i thought was a little more than normal tenderness in the pecs last week, and didnt notice much for sides so hopefully that will continue side free when i run it for PCT. I also just recieved some IBE Formex, and was planning on running that,after 3 weeks of My nolva PCT. I know the Nolva may be overkill like you said (but id rather be overkill than underkill,lol), but aside from a little overkill does it sound like all my bases are covered to you guys??
 
skatorb69 said:
Ya, sorry to jump all over your **** for that Flyer, was in a fairly poor mood that day,and i have done an extensive research to make sure my pct is sufficient, lol. But yeah my intention was to run Nolva for PCt Nickrut (at a fairly low does 20mg/1 tab ED), i already purchased it about 6 months ago, so obtaining it isnt a prob, i have run it for a few days when i had what i thought was a little more than normal tenderness in the pecs last week, and didnt notice much for sides so hopefully that will continue side free when i run it for PCT. I also just recieved some IBE Formex, and was planning on running that,after 3 weeks of My nolva PCT. I know the Nolva may be overkill like you said (but id rather be overkill than underkill,lol), but aside from a little overkill does it sound like all my bases are covered to you guys??
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Gimme the rundown again.
 
starting April 15th 20mg/1 tab ED of Nolva for 3 weeks,with fish oil, and liver support, then 20 days of Formex (3 tabs/150mg ED) IBE recommends 2-4 capsules per day, so im just planning on taking 3 per day since this compound is new and i havent ran it before. Then the only other thing i was considering adding was creatine, do u think it would be necessary to help maintain the h-drol gains, i was thinking it may somewhat hinder the leaning out i have had from the h-drol since creatine kind of makes you hold water (although i realize it will help to keep the strength gains) what do u think ??
 
I'm not a PCT expert, but is Nolva absolutely necessary for an h-drol cylce? Couldn't you get away with Reversitol? I'm just saying because Nolva is pretty hard to come by for most people and I think I'd rather save it for a cycle that you NEED it. Ie. SD/PP..etc..
 
Yeah, like nick said it probably is a bit overkill, but like i said since i have it and im kinda more or less the rather be safe than sorry type so im gonna run it at 20mg/day. But yeah mike from what ive head reversitol as part of pct for h-drol would probly work fine.
 
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