1st TRUE cycle advice: convince me to join the dark side!

AHH_BOB_SAGET

AHH_BOB_SAGET

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Alright all - so after a couple oral cycles and lots of research/convos w/ a buddy of mine who is currently injecting, I'm thinking of giving it a go myself. I've run DMZ and epistane before, and I currently have a stash of P-Plex that fell into my lap. Thinking of this for my first pin cycle:

Weeks 1-4 (kickstarter):
P-Plex: 30/30/40/40
CEL Cycle Assist

Weeks 1-15:
Test-E: 500mg/wk (250mg x2/wk)

Weeks 17-22:
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/10/10
DAA: 3g ED

Aromasin: Keeping on hand from the beginning and use if needed on cycle or for rebound prevention toward the end of PCT.

Any input is appreciated!
 
If you need convincing maybe your not ready lol. If it's just for the title, looks good. Chances are you'll definitely need some aromasin even a smaller dose at 500 a week, but you could be a freak. Lol
 
Derekcerva said:
If you need convincing maybe your not ready lol. If it's just for the title, looks good. Chances are you'll definitely need some aromasin even a smaller dose at 500 a week, but you could be a freak. Lol
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hahaha yeah man, guilty as charged - it was definitely just for the title to grab people's attention. I'm thinking the same with the aromasin, but who knows. I'll for sure buy it before my cycle though just to be certain!
 
I would look into running HCG during the cycle to prevent major shutdown, and blasting it in the beginning of your PCT.

Just my .02. Everything else looks good.

Or skip the HCG and hit GNrH once the Enanthate clears.
 
ShockTroop said:
I would look into running HCG during the cycle to prevent major shutdown, and blasting it in the beginning of your PCT.

Just my .02. Everything else looks good.

Or skip the HCG and hit GNrH once the Enanthate clears.
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I wouldn't run HCG during PCT, that's gonna defeat the point
 
If it is your first time pinning I would humbly suggest you try 250mg Test E once a week. I can assure you that if its your first time it wont be your last lol. Save the bigger doses for cycles on down the road. Just my 2 cents. You could front load with 500 the first week.
 
jcam222 said:
If it is your first time pinning I would humbly suggest you try 250mg Test E once a week. I can assure you that if its your first time it wont be your last lol. Save the bigger doses for cycles on down the road. Just my 2 cents. You could front load with 500 the first week.
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Front loading test c or E is a waste of time. You want your levels to be consistent and they are slow esters.
Also, 250mg would be more of a cutting dose to help avoid the water retention of larger doses.
 
dave39 said:
Front loading test c or E is a waste of time. You want your levels to be consistent and they are slow esters.
Also, 250mg would be more of a cutting dose to help avoid the water retention of larger doses.
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I think in retrospect you are likely right on the front load being a waste. I respectfully disagree on the 250 only being a cutting dose as it relates to a persons first cycle. I have done test cyp as high as gram a week but my first cycle was 250 stand alone. The results were phenomenal. Certainly body weight and a host of other variables apply. I am a proponent of new users starting low and working their way up in subsequent cycles.

To the point on the front loading being a waste I understand and now agree with your logic. Based on the long esther though why pin twice a week?
 
jcam222 said:
I think in retrospect you are likely right on the front load being a waste. I respectfully disagree on the 250 only being a cutting dose as it relates to a persons first cycle. I have done test cyp as high as gram a week but my first cycle was 250 stand alone. The results were phenomenal. Certainly body weight and a host of other variables apply. I am a proponent of new users starting low and working their way up in subsequent cycles.

To the point on the front loading being a waste I understand and now agree with your logic. Based on the long esther though why pin twice a week?
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Not as drastic peaks and drops in hormone levels. Keeps the testosterone levels in your blood more stable.
 
jcam222 said:
If it is your first time pinning I would humbly suggest you try 250mg Test E once a week. I can assure you that if its your first time it wont be your last lol. Save the bigger doses for cycles on down the road. Just my 2 cents. You could front load with 500 the first week.
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My thought process was to start with a test-only cycle since it is my first time pinning, rather than throw in something for more experienced users (like tren) along with it (yeah, I'm kick-starting with pplex, but I'm confident that I'm ready for that, having experience with orals previously with little-to-no sides). I am nearly 250lbs, as well, and have never been too sensitive to any of the orals I have taken, or any sort of substance for that matter. Also, since I'm 24 and my test levels are at their natural peak, I just feel as though a dose like 250 would be too low for me, personally. I can see how for a lot of people this wouldn't be a bad idea however, and I appreciate your post!
 
dave39 said:
Front loading test c or E is a waste of time. You want your levels to be consistent and they are slow esters.
Also, 250mg would be more of a cutting dose to help avoid the water retention of larger doses.
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Is it a popular thing for people to run lower dosages for the water retention aspect? Wouldn't it just make more sense to run at around 500mg and throw in some aromasin instead?
 
ShockTroop said:
I would look into running HCG during the cycle to prevent major shutdown, and blasting it in the beginning of your PCT.

Just my .02. Everything else looks good.

Or skip the HCG and hit GNrH once the Enanthate clears.
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You may have meant this, but from what I've gathered regarding hCG is that, if it is not used during the entirety of the cycle and is planned on being blasted, it should be used toward the very end of the cycle and/or in the two weeks in between the last pin and the first day of PCT, while the test is clearing the system, since it'll work against the SERM of choice once that is started.

I was expecting quite a few suggestions for hCG when I made the post, however since it will be my first time pinning, I would just prefer to keep it as simple as possible. I figured if my PCT is in check, then I will still recover sufficiently - most likely not as quickly as with hCG, however I am pretty unfamiliar with it, and have no source, and would prefer not to have to mix it myself during my first pin cycle since it is all new to me. My test guy has never used it, and all of the first-hand accounts of personal friends of mine with test experience either have not used hCG or told me that for my first cycle just be certain that my PCT is in order if I plan on forgoing the hCG - which is what brought me here to all of you!
 
AHH_BOB_SAGET said:
My thought process was to start with a test-only cycle since it is my first time pinning, rather than throw in something for more experienced users (like tren) along with it (yeah, I'm kick-starting with pplex, but I'm confident that I'm ready for that, having experience with orals previously with little-to-no sides). I am nearly 250lbs, as well, and have never been too sensitive to any of the orals I have taken, or any sort of substance for that matter. Also, since I'm 24 and my test levels are at their natural peak, I just feel as though a dose like 250 would be too low for me, personally. I can see how for a lot of people this wouldn't be a bad idea however, and I appreciate your post!
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Hey you are more than welcome. At the end of the day no one knows your body and how you respond better than you. I wish you luck. You are going to LOVE it I am sure. Pro tip: if you have a girl /wife etc make sure she is prepared for you LOL :) Your libido is going to be off the charts at least the first half or so of that cycle.
 
AHH_BOB_SAGET said:
Is it a popular thing for people to run lower dosages for the water retention aspect? Wouldn't it just make more sense to run at around 500mg and throw in some aromasin instead?
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No it's not popular. Test is best used to increase mass. Running a dose just higher than some TRT doses is fine to build and maintain mass but if you're not on TRT and you are cycling on and off PEDs than it doesn't make sense to use any less than 400mg per week to put size on during a 3 month cycle.

500mg per week split between 2 injections is the "standard" for a first time cycle in the 12 - 15 week range. An AI should at least be on hand to control estrogen related sides but it's important to find a balance so you aren't crushing your estrogen, which would result in poor "gains", libido, etc.
 
Update:

Weeks 1-4 (kickstarter):
P-Plex: 30/30/40/40
CEL Cycle Assist

Weeks 1-15:
Test-E: 500mg/wk (250mg x2/wk)
Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD (will adjust if needed)

Weeks 17-22:
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/10/10
DAA: 3g ED
 
AHH_BOB_SAGET said:
Yeah I most likely will. I probably won't run it until winter, seeing as I'm still in PCT coming off of a recent epistane run - just got too excited and decided to plan waaaaay far ahead haha.
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Haha nothing wrong with that. Better to plan ahead and be prepared. Just don't go changing things around while you wait :P
 
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