1st M Drol Cylce
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mathis50262
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PCT Day 7
All is going well. I'm still able to consume all of my meals, not to lethargic, and my strength, well thats a different story... It's still through the roof. I'm still able to hold all my strength gains, and stepped on the scale yesterday at 214.5!!!!:aargh4::aargh4: So f'ing close. 215 is a goal I set for myself, but wasn't planing on hitting it until another 8 months or so.....:laugh: Thank you superdrol!!! Balls are dropping nicely, but my libido isn't all the way back yet. How long does that usually take? I'm still performing and all, just not a horny mother f ucker like I usually am...:rippedhand:
All is going well. I'm still able to consume all of my meals, not to lethargic, and my strength, well thats a different story... It's still through the roof. I'm still able to hold all my strength gains, and stepped on the scale yesterday at 214.5!!!!:aargh4::aargh4: So f'ing close. 215 is a goal I set for myself, but wasn't planing on hitting it until another 8 months or so.....:laugh: Thank you superdrol!!! Balls are dropping nicely, but my libido isn't all the way back yet. How long does that usually take? I'm still performing and all, just not a horny mother f ucker like I usually am...:rippedhand:
angel77
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took me about a month and a half after my Havoc run to regain libido. that sh*t shut me down hard. i'm ok right now. libidos not as high as I'd like yet. still to early though. i'm starting my AI 6XO tonight. Cheers Mathis, keep them gains bro.
mathis50262
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Right on man. Ya this is the 1st time I have been really shut down! No A huge problem though. My girls is out of town another month, so not a huge biggie. You best belive it, I'm going to fight my ass off the hold these gains, and to be honest with you, I think I'm going to keep a very large portion of them! I cant wait, 3 more week then I can cut!! I have been bulking for sooooo long, it will be nice. I was looking in to that is non methyl, for recomp, but I dont know. I probably wont cycle again until this winter, and when I do, Imma do it right, run test...:bruce3:
angel77
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i'd love to if I could find a reliable source. it's just sooooo sketchy and even guys that are regulars are getting burned. I'm starting a cut in May and I have 2 bottles of Trenadrol (non-methyl). You don't need alot of calories on it and it keeps strength high as you lean out. Can't wait. Cheers Mathis, angel77
mathis50262
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You can drink on a non methyl can't you? I want to run one on my cut, but I know I will be having some social gatherings coming up in the future. Also, how is libido and shutdown on Tren?
angel77
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well, although it isn't a methyl it still wouldn't be the best idea to get hammered when running it. a few drinks maybe now & then won't hurt. There is actually a possibility it could be methylated to some degree from what I've heard. Don't know for sure.
Yes! Tren will shut your libido down worse than superdrol so have some Viagra or Cialis handy. You can get it through research site as well! I'm doing the exact same thing your doing now in May for my cut. Trenadrol & possibly Epistane if I feel it's necessary. Cheers Mathis..
mathis50262
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Dude don't touch or scrach them, you might grow tit's on your balls...:laugh: JJ, thats kinda weird bro, never heard of that.. Is it your balls or your sack?
angel77
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Your in PCT now aren't you? When you dose Clomid or Nolva high in the beginning you could get an ache here and there. I've had it before. This is part of the stimulation from the SERM and if you think about it your balls are growing so there will be some aches. Hope this eases your mind a little bro. Cheers, angel77
Jayhawk34
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Same. My fiance isn't exactly thrilled about the idea either. I even had her watch "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" lol. To be honest, I think she just doesn't want any more female eyes wandering my way. :laugh: I would just prefer to run something that wasn't an oral, with less potential damage and gives better results.
Jayhawk34
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Haha I could totally see "Ball Gyno" threads spreading like wild fire.
mathis50262
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PCT Day 11
Ya mother fukers!!! Hit the bench today, 275x2/315x1/335x1/345x1!! Fuking love it!! Half way through my pct, no crash, not getting lathergic. Using NO still getting good pumps, strength still way up!! Libido seems to be slowly coming back.. Two more weeks till I start my cut and throw in some clen!! Cant wait.
Ya mother fukers!!! Hit the bench today, 275x2/315x1/335x1/345x1!! Fuking love it!! Half way through my pct, no crash, not getting lathergic. Using NO still getting good pumps, strength still way up!! Libido seems to be slowly coming back.. Two more weeks till I start my cut and throw in some clen!! Cant wait.
Jayhawk34
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Great to hear! I finally put in my orders and should be ready to go in the next couple weeks. I hope my bench climbs this well. :scared:
Boyders
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Hey guys! Long time no post. I'm sorry but I've been busy and a little lazy to post stuff. Anyways, here is the happs. Today is day 12 of PCT. From about day 4 to day 11 I have had a couple side affects which were really annoying. One was ball sensitivity/pain. It got to the point that a few hours after dosing nolva the pain woke me up at about 12am and kept me up for an hour or so. Finally last night was the first night this did not happen.
Also, something in the nolva or lean xtreme or dthc is making my lower intesitinal area hurt.. it is like an indigestion like sharp pain. This seems to be letting up today too. I have already dropped the tamox down to 10mg a day after just over a week because I couldn't stand the sides. I am going to ride out the rest of the pct at 10mg. I have been doing tons of more research and I have to side with the point of view out there than brotelligence is grossly overdosing the serm. At 10mg I feel much better and there is no issue to speak of in my breast tissue yet.
One more note on this, It seems like lately so many people have got it in their minds that nolva is a bit of an ai and I don't know who started that but it is a bunch of poppycock. I couldn't find one legit site about serms other than body building forums that say that nolva acts like an ai. All it does is act like an estrogen in your body except around your breast tissue and sexual organs in which it binds to the same receptors real estro does before real estro does. Clomid may do the job a little faster but at a much higher cost on sides. Nolva does the same thing but it is much easier on your body and it just takes a little longer.
Anyways, sorry about the rant but sometimes the brotelligence around here really gets me. People always say do you research do your research use the search forums so then people like us do all this research which turns out to be a bunch of close minded people with opinions.
Hah there I go again. ANYWAYS I concur with you in that my strength still hasn't diminished and is even getting better. I ran out of pre workout stuff so sometimes I have been going into the gym all tired and unmotivated but then crank out pr's and I'm like wtf? The cycle was great but I have to say pct is what is kicking me in the teeth a bit. I WANT MY BALLS TO STOP HURTING!!! ;-D
Also, something in the nolva or lean xtreme or dthc is making my lower intesitinal area hurt.. it is like an indigestion like sharp pain. This seems to be letting up today too. I have already dropped the tamox down to 10mg a day after just over a week because I couldn't stand the sides. I am going to ride out the rest of the pct at 10mg. I have been doing tons of more research and I have to side with the point of view out there than brotelligence is grossly overdosing the serm. At 10mg I feel much better and there is no issue to speak of in my breast tissue yet.
One more note on this, It seems like lately so many people have got it in their minds that nolva is a bit of an ai and I don't know who started that but it is a bunch of poppycock. I couldn't find one legit site about serms other than body building forums that say that nolva acts like an ai. All it does is act like an estrogen in your body except around your breast tissue and sexual organs in which it binds to the same receptors real estro does before real estro does. Clomid may do the job a little faster but at a much higher cost on sides. Nolva does the same thing but it is much easier on your body and it just takes a little longer.
Anyways, sorry about the rant but sometimes the brotelligence around here really gets me. People always say do you research do your research use the search forums so then people like us do all this research which turns out to be a bunch of close minded people with opinions.
Hah there I go again. ANYWAYS I concur with you in that my strength still hasn't diminished and is even getting better. I ran out of pre workout stuff so sometimes I have been going into the gym all tired and unmotivated but then crank out pr's and I'm like wtf? The cycle was great but I have to say pct is what is kicking me in the teeth a bit. I WANT MY BALLS TO STOP HURTING!!! ;-D
mathis50262
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Sorry to hear that bro! How is your libido? Mine is still not where it normally is, but is slowly on the rise. I'm no longer shutdown, just low on the sex drive. I feel great. I dropped my Nolva dosing to 20mg today, I was running 30. I will slowly taper down over the next week and a half. Other than libido, I'm doing great, totally suprised how good I feel!
angel77
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You are fine dosing Nolva at 10mg. It will be plenty effective. Remember Nolva and Clomid will hurt libido (it's a common side) and when you finish dosing the libido WILL come back. I like Clomid but your right about the sides. Definately some emotional episodes at high doses (100mg a day) and also I had terrible nose bleeds. I wish I could help with the nut pain man. Hope it starts to feel better. Nolva is not an AI and isn't even close. It allows estrogen to produce but will not bind ( as you mentioned). This is why many dose an AI (like 6XO, Formadrol Extreme, Nolvadex XT, Diesel Test Hardcore ect.) to prevent rebound from when you stop dosing the SERM. The problem is many over dose the AI and actually get rebound from that! I'm going very low AI (6XO) for 2-3 weeks only.
Your libido will improve when your done dosing the Nolva / Clomid. Cheers on your gains guys. Mine have ceased. I'm day 16 of PCT.
mathis50262
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Weird how we have 3 of us here, have relatively good pct, with great gains, holding most of our weight and still producing strength. But you will read many posts where people are having horrible pct sides, cant eat, lose half they're gains, and the strength drops. I just find it kinda interesting.
buster0371
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i wonder what the x factor is? could it be the nolva? the clomid? the serm? a lot of people just go with OTC PCT. so maybe its the nolva?
mathis50262
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No, not many run OTC PCT with Mdrol.
Boyders
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Thanks for the positive words angel. Yah mathis my libido isn't smoking. I can still perform but I'm definitely suppressed in that area. I was cranking back the dthc but for a couple reasons, including that I want it to focus on the libido and LH boost, I dropped it to 3 a day. We'll see... I also can't help but notice the boys aren't 100% their original size. I will keep an eye on this... could just be paranoia. I should have measured their circumference before cycle but I didn't have a tap measure that long BA-DOO-CHING!
I have Trione caps which I will be starting this friday at 2/day. I will run that for a week or so then drop to 1 a day for 2 weeks then 1 eod for the last week. That puts me at 15 days post serm so I think I should have no rebound issues, especially with doing the nolva at such a low dose.
I have Trione caps which I will be starting this friday at 2/day. I will run that for a week or so then drop to 1 a day for 2 weeks then 1 eod for the last week. That puts me at 15 days post serm so I think I should have no rebound issues, especially with doing the nolva at such a low dose.
buster0371
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so considering i have no way to get a hold of a serm, i should not run mdrol with OTC PCT? because i almost did....
mathis50262
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DO NOT!!! You will reget it. Find a serm!
buster0371
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ok i will thx, superdrol as a first ph is bad or what?
mathis50262
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I would not recommend it. It is very potent and high toxic! Research Havoc or Hdrol for your first run. Hdrol is mild, and lots of people run it with an OTC PCT.
thelix
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Hey Guys....interesting thread here !
I am particularly interested on it since I will start my PCT in a few days after an almost 3 week m-drol cycle. It seems like you guys have the same PCT plan as me, but I am lacking some details on it.
My PCT will be with Nolva (40/20/20/10) and wither Clomid or dthc (got both on hand).
My questions are, should I run the 2 SERMs or Nolva + dthc ? and how long after stopping m-drol should I start the SERM and dhtc ?
I am particularly interested on it since I will start my PCT in a few days after an almost 3 week m-drol cycle. It seems like you guys have the same PCT plan as me, but I am lacking some details on it.
My PCT will be with Nolva (40/20/20/10) and wither Clomid or dthc (got both on hand).
My questions are, should I run the 2 SERMs or Nolva + dthc ? and how long after stopping m-drol should I start the SERM and dhtc ?
buster0371
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yeah that was my first thought but a friend just gave me a bottle of superdrol free so im like hm.......
mathis50262
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Ya bro, hold off! You will thanks yourself in the end. Good high calorie/carb/protien diet, and hdrol will yeild good results on a first run.
Boyders
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I did mdrol as my first cycle and all went well but the thing is, it is a harsh one to start with because when you run a cycle it is a big commitment. Something like hdrol and epi or whatever are good starts to dip your feet in the water and see if this is your thing. That is the only reason why I'd say start with something lighter. I don't think you can say something like don't try it unless your experienced because as long as you do all the research and have a solid cycle planned, your are no more at risk than any other time you may use mdrol.
thelix - chuck figures you should start the dthc 4 days before the end of your cycle. Keep the dose low though because if you crank it back at like 5-6 pills a day you _may_ increase test and free test so much it kills your LH which is what you need to get the boys back in action.
As for the serms, if you already have both, the popular thing to do seems to be use the clomid for the first few days to jump start the boys then switch to nolva for the rest of the pct. My opinion is also that the super high doses people often use for serms are not necessary and may do more harm than good.
thelix - chuck figures you should start the dthc 4 days before the end of your cycle. Keep the dose low though because if you crank it back at like 5-6 pills a day you _may_ increase test and free test so much it kills your LH which is what you need to get the boys back in action.
As for the serms, if you already have both, the popular thing to do seems to be use the clomid for the first few days to jump start the boys then switch to nolva for the rest of the pct. My opinion is also that the super high doses people often use for serms are not necessary and may do more harm than good.
Heartless88
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Buster buster.... your busted for sure.
mathis50262
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Boyders has a good point. I have to strongly agree with a cycle being a big commitment, I would actually have to say it is a huge commitment. Your diet has to be ON the spot! No alcohol, getting your rest every night, not staying out, picking the gym over the movies with friends. You should dedicate your self 100% to your cycle and training. And it doesn't just stop at the end of your cycle, you even have to step you game up for the next month of PCT, your whole cycle doesn't mean shyt without a solid PCT. Your body is on egg shells for that month. To beat the gyno, bring back natural test levels, and keep your gains! Boyders has a valid opinion, but I would try something not near as harsh for a 1st cycle. I would have to say that 70% of the time 1st time cyclers can yeild close to the same results with something like Havoc. Diet is key though, Mdrol isn't shyt without buckets upon buckets of carbs!!
Good Luck
mathis50262
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UH OH!!!:scared:
Heartless88
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yea he sucks at lieing, and loves getting caught.
took me awhile to figure out what the stuff he was using really was.
mathis50262
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Heartless88
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X- he ****d that one up.
buster0371
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stupid.... im not taking superdrol. just curious.
just cuz i got:
multivitamin(pills)
glutamine(pills)
fish oils(pills)
Diesel Test Hardcore(pills)
L-Argenine(pills)
Powerfull(pills)
Trac NO Extreem(powder)
Dark Matter(powder)
Whey Protein(powder)
BCAA(powder)
she swears like im on a cycle cuz i got all these juggs of suppliments all over my room!!!!
just cuz i got:
multivitamin(pills)
glutamine(pills)
fish oils(pills)
Diesel Test Hardcore(pills)
L-Argenine(pills)
Powerfull(pills)
Trac NO Extreem(powder)
Dark Matter(powder)
Whey Protein(powder)
BCAA(powder)
she swears like im on a cycle cuz i got all these juggs of suppliments all over my room!!!!
buster0371
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beta alanine(powder)
6oxo(pills)
forgot those ones, LOL
6oxo(pills)
forgot those ones, LOL
mathis50262
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Well you sure dont look like your on a cycle. Your not all swoll or anything.
buster0371
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thanks for the compliment.... jk
seriously though i put on a good 25 lbs in the past 3 months. i think a good amount is creating
seriously though i put on a good 25 lbs in the past 3 months. i think a good amount is creating
mathis50262
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It's all good bro. Even if you were running a cycle, it's not like your doing anything illegel. What the prob is?
thelix
Member
Thanks for the tips guys....very helpful. I will then run my PCT with:
Clomid at 150mg - day 1
100mg - day 2 - 3
Nolva at week 1: 40mg
week 2: 20mg
week 3-4: 10mg
dhtc at 3 pills/day - day 1 to last day
Lean FX: recommended dose from week 1 till end
Cycle Assist
Fish Oil
Glucosamine MSN
SuperCissus
Taurine
DHEA
whey protein
creatine
Does that seem like a solid plan or am I week/high on something ?
Thanks a lot so far !
mathis50262
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Any of those cort blockers??
mathis50262
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I'd say it looks good. What is your diet like? Mdrol LOVES carbs, if you don't consume lots, you will feel like shyt, and not yeild the best gains. Also what were you planing for dosing?
thelix
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hey mathis....I am actually cutting my m-drol cycle 4 days short today because I was really feeling like s***. I caught the flu and wasn't able to workout for 3 days now, so taking mdrol without eating and training did not make sense to me.
Besides, since I am weak from the flu, with a nasty cough, taking mdrol makes my heart race, gives me chest pain and nausea.
So, stopping is probably a wise thing to do, but your opinion on it is well appreciated.
Besides, since I am weak from the flu, with a nasty cough, taking mdrol makes my heart race, gives me chest pain and nausea.
So, stopping is probably a wise thing to do, but your opinion on it is well appreciated.