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1st Epistane & M-drol Cycle

1st Epistane & M-drol Cycle

Just been reading about Epistane causing hair loss anyone experienced this with German Pharma Epi and is there anything to stop this?
 
Smiler said:
Just been ready about Epistane causes hair loss anyone experienced this with German Pharma epi and is there anything to stop this
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Any compound with androgenic properties can and will cause hair loss. Some have better genetics than others and this side effect may not show up with low doses or even for a few years. But have no doubt in high enough doses and for use that spans longer periods of time, everyone will experience hair loss to some degree.

How to slow it down: use topical minoxidil twice per day. Use a shampoo that has dht blockers and other “healthy hair” compounds. Ironically some hair loss products will cause initial hair loss. So be aware of that. It if this is a huge concern for you, don’t use highly androgenic compounds. One cycle may have minimal impact on hair loss, it really depends on your genetics and length of cycling as explained above.
 
Smiler said:
Just been reading about Epistane causing hair loss anyone experienced this with German Pharma Epi and is there anything to stop this?
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I didn't lose any hair it prob only happens if you're predisposed to it. Afaik epi isn't that androgenic so I don't think it's a common side effect.
 
APC80 said:
I didn't lose any hair it prob only happens if you're predisposed to it. Afaik epi isn't that androgenic so I don't think it's a common side effect.
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Yeah about finish 2nd cycle of German Pharma DMZ (M-drol) and EPi (Epi 20).

3 weeks, up 10 pounds (205 to 215 lbs). A little bit of that is added fat % too. I am a tall ish ectomorph, so i can dirty bulk a little with diet. Pay for that later in cardio.

Cut cycle SARM time, before PCT is next.

GP makes good stuff, clean, exactly what you expect in Epi or Dmz. A little bit of lethargy, norhing major, pee is extra bright so i know its working rhe liver a bit. But less harsh than other PH.

I'm already susceptible to male pattern baldness (6'2" lean and shaved head). Hairloss is for those with hormone sensitivity... i had no hair change, just good pump and full feeling of muscle growth.

Run that GP product, i am gonna rock some Brawn and Olympus Labs UK sarm to cut after.

UK and Europe helping us ban-happy US mofos, for the good gym gear.
 
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From a personal standpoint I’d say my hair loss genetics are likely average. Of all the cycles I’ve done only those including tren and/or masteron have caused hair loss that I’ve personally noticed/was concerned with. I’ve used most of the orals anyone on here would use and never had an issue with them
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Yeah about finish 2nd cycle of German Pharma DMZ (M-drol) and EPi (Epi 20).

3 weeks, up 10 pounds (205 to 215 lbs). A little bit of that is added fat % too. I am a tall ish ectomorph, so i can dirty bulk a little with diet. Pay for that later in cardio.

Cut cycle SARM time, before PCT is next.

GP makes good stuff, clean, exactly what you expect in Epi or Dmz. A little bit of lethargy, norhing major, pee is extra bright so i know its working rhe liver a bit. But less harsh than other PH.

I'm already susceptible to male pattern baldness (6'2" lean and shaved head). Hairloss is for those with hormone sensitivity... i had no hair change, just good pump and full feeling of muscle growth.

Run that GP product, i am gonna rock some Brawn and Olympus Labs UK sarm to cut after.

UK and Europe helping us ban-happy US mofos, for the good gym gear.
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4th day on megatren here, muscles are harder, appetite is up and small strength gains already. Only 1lb up but I lost 1/2 inch on my waist somehow. I'm already lean so that was surprising. Can't wait to see what the rest of the cycle brings if this is just the start. Do you get really hungry the first couple of weeks? I got it with epi as well I really dunno how people use them to cut.
 
Yeah i get pretty hungry on cycle... Sometimes the energy at the start of a cycle will cut hunger for a short bit, until i hit the plates for a day or two and then i can eat a horse.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Yeah i get pretty hungry on cycle... Sometimes the energy at the start of a cycle will cut hunger for a short bit, until i hit the plates for a day or two and then i can eat a horse.
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I swear the hunger I get isn't normal, I feel like I could just eat all day long. I thought it may have been the placebo effect when I was on epi but I know now it's definitely not I'm ****in starving all day.
 
Don’t discount the influence of training harder while on. After a tough leg workout all I can do is eat
 
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Hello lads,

Just a little update I'm on my 6th day of the Epistane cycle.

I feel a slight increase in strength when training. Although no visual improvements yet.

However, I've got a mouth ulcer on my lip not sure if this is down to the dry mouth you get from epi?

No headaches or other side effects yet, just feel my muscles are a little achey.

Going upto 60mg tomorrow!

Thanks,
Smiler :D
 
APC80 said:
There's no way you lost all that fat in one week
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I think it’s because the shorts are higher and posture is different and that magnified the differences. Definite progress but not unreasonable with that accounted for
 
Just thought i would pop by one last time, ended 3 week DMZ and Epi cycle up 12 lbs. Mostly muscle,.a little BF % too. German Pharma holding it down.

Now I am 216lbs at 6'1" (up from 204lbs) and just started day 2 of 20mg Ostarime and 12mg Ibutamoren cycle next... Going to run that for next 6 weeks and recomp/cut a bit.

Gotta say the prohormones get you up the strength and muscle curve, but watch the diet add burn sets. This ectomorph finally approaching 18-19% BF. But nice to be up over 200lbs, started way out of shape at 175lbs and 20% BF, about 1.5 years ago. Lifting natty and younger, like a decade prior only got only to 190lbs lean. And not nearly as strong, thick or vascular as i am now.

But yeah after some Olympus UK SARMs next, then rest pause to clear androgen receptors, looking forward to a few more PH cycles once i get my BF% low enough again.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Just thought i would pop by one last time, ended 3 week DMZ and Epi cycle up 12 lbs. Mostly muscle,.a little BF % too. German Pharma holding it down.

Now I am 216lbs at 6'1" (up from 204lbs) and just started day 2 of 20mg Ostarime and 12mg Ibutamoren cycle next... Going to run that for next 6 weeks and recomp/cut a bit.

Gotta say the prohormones get you up the strength and muscle curve, but watch the diet add burn sets. This ectomorph finally approaching 18-19% BF. But nice to be up over 200lbs, started way out of shape at 175lbs and 20% BF, about 1.5 years ago. Lifting natty and younger, like a decade prior only got only to 190lbs lean. And not nearly as strong, thick or vascular as i am now.

But yeah after some Olympus UK SARMs next, then rest pause to clear androgen receptors, looking forward to a few more PH cycles once i get my BF% low enough again.
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I was like you only got to around 200 natural ( 6’2”). It after a few years of cycles was up to 240s same body fat.
 
Yeah that was one week difference diet has been good had one slip up though on Sunday but it's all good.

My back and skin in general feels really greasey and spots coming through. I never get mouth ulcers and I've got a massive one near my lip. I think my immune system is down is this normal? Apart from that in the gym I feel very good!
 
Smiler said:
Yeah that was one week difference diet has been good had one slip up though on Sunday but it's all good.

My back and skin in general feels really greasey and spots coming through. I never get mouth ulcers and I've got a massive one near my lip. I think my immune system is down is this normal? Apart from that in the gym I feel very good!
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Increased oil/acne for some on prohormones is possible side...

Lip ulcer ftom increased stress of training or PH use? Hmm not sure, maybe?

But glad GP is also helping workouts.
 
Smiler said:
Yeah that was one week difference diet has been good had one slip up though on Sunday but it's all good.

My back and skin in general feels really greasey and spots coming through. I never get mouth ulcers and I've got a massive one near my lip. I think my immune system is down is this normal? Apart from that in the gym I feel very good!
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Yes PH use can affect your immune system as far as I know. I kept getting bad infections in my sinuses, gums and ear after my epi run.
 
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Starting my third week tomorrow, my skin is so oily and acne is breaking out am I ok to take Lymecycline which has been prescribed by doctor for acne only thing is it's meth based so might be too harsh on liver?

Also had a swollen uvula in my mouth can safely say the PH has played with my immune system a little!
 
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Starting my third week tomorrow, my skin is so oily and acne is breaking out am I ok to take Lymecycline which has been prescribed by doctor for acne only thing is it's meth based so might be too harsh on liver?

Also had a swollen uvula in my mouth can safely say the PH has played with my immune system a little!
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Lookin good man. Your start pic vs your newest shows you are leaning out and getting more shoulder width also. Keep it up.

Don’t worry about the tetracycline. It shouldn’t matter for the next few weeks. They are generally nontoxic drugs even long term. I’ve been on minocycline for years
 
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Getting quite confused with the PCT at the moment reading a few different opinions..

Can someone set me straight?

Is it best to use Nolva or Clomid or both?

Also how long and at what dosage please?

And I intend to use this with an AI as I'm scared of Gyno!

But how long and dosage for the AI too?

Thanks,
Smiler :D
 
Just use one or the other mate. Don't bother with the AI unless you need it you don't wanna crash your estrogen, low estrogen is nearly as bad as high. It'll leave you with sore dry joints and feeling like ****. I didn't have any estrogen rebound from epi had exemestane on hand but didn't use it.

Nolva 20/20/10/10 or clomid 50/50/25/25

I only did a 3 week pct with nolva you'll recover fine from epi some people don't even run a pct with it and do fine.
 
APC80 said:
Just use one or the other mate. Don't bother with the AI unless you need it you don't wanna crash your estrogen, low estrogen is nearly as bad as high. It'll leave you with sore dry joints and feeling like ****. I didn't have any estrogen rebound from epi had exemestane on hand but didn't use it.

Nolva 20/20/10/10 or clomid 50/50/25/25

I only did a 3 week pct with nolva you'll recover fine from epi some people don't even run a pct with it and do fine.
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Good point on issues with low est and dry joints
 
APC80 said:
Just use one or the other mate. Don't bother with the AI unless you need it you don't wanna crash your estrogen, low estrogen is nearly as bad as high. It'll leave you with sore dry joints and feeling like ****. I didn't have any estrogen rebound from epi had exemestane on hand but didn't use it.

Nolva 20/20/10/10 or clomid 50/50/25/25

I only did a 3 week pct with nolva you'll recover fine from epi some people don't even run a pct with it and do fine.
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What he said
 
APC80 said:
Just use one or the other mate. Don't bother with the AI unless you need it you don't wanna crash your estrogen, low estrogen is nearly as bad as high. It'll leave you with sore dry joints and feeling like ****. I didn't have any estrogen rebound from epi had exemestane on hand but didn't use it.

Nolva 20/20/10/10 or clomid 50/50/25/25

I only did a 3 week pct with nolva you'll recover fine from epi some people don't even run a pct with it and do fine.
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Thank you mate!

Also is there anything I should be taking to make sure I don't lose my sex drive and libido, I don't want the Mrs being unhappy!!

Thanks,
Smiler :D
 
Smiler said:
Thank you mate!

Also is there anything I should be taking to make sure I don't lose my sex drive and libido, I don't want the Mrs being unhappy!!

Thanks,
Smiler :D
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For the Mrs. or the Mistress, keep liquid Cialis on hand... pure rawz has Tadalafil citrate 1mg vials for good $. For me, the tribulus/fenugreek boosters are good for overall health, may help restore function... but if you get ED, during shutdown on stronger PH later, you will be happy to have that handy with SERM.

Even if you dont get ED, get some anyway :) i just did, my 5th cycle was longer 3 weeks DMZ, 2 more M1AD. I was shutdown, where as shorter DMZ or Epi or S-drol previous 3-4 week cycles did not shut me off completely.

Supressed probably, but the flag still stood on demand... until that last cycle.
 
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Feel a bit bulkier this week but it might be in my head, diet had been spot on and been getting some good cardio in!

All good though happy so far!
 
Amazing fat loss/recomp mate. Just shows epi is better used to cut than on a bulk it's really tightened you up.
 
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Good progress so far. Most obvious in shoulder width. Keep hitting it hard with lateral raises (dumbbells and cables) and heavy shrugs (even if you need straps for the weight) as that “strip” of muscle (really upper traps and middle deltoid) tends to respond well to cycles due to the large amount of androgen receptors in that region (vs other muscle groups). Gotta take advantage of it while it lasts!
 
bigdavid said:
Good progress so far. Most obvious in shoulder width. Keep hitting it hard with lateral raises (dumbbells and cables) and heavy shrugs (even if you need straps for the weight) as that “strip” of muscle (really upper traps and middle deltoid) tends to respond well to cycles due to the large amount of androgen receptors in that region (vs other muscle groups). Gotta take advantage of it while it lasts!
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That's usually how I notice someone in my gyms on something there's like a sort of hard veiny dry look to the shoulder/trap area. Hard to describe but you can see it in Smilers pic.
 
APC80 said:
That's usually how I notice someone in my gyms on something there's like a sort of hard veiny dry look to the shoulder/trap area. Hard to describe but you can see it in Smilers pic.
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Yes it is visually obvious most of the time to fellow men in the gym lol. I can say though that most people don’t do heavy shrugs enough to maximize it. I know guys that barely increase the weight or volume vs baseline. Personally before I started cycling I could maybe do 225-275 barbell for 8-10 reps. After two cycles I was up to 495 for 3 sets of 8 (with straps and a weight belt).
 
I must admit I haven't been training shoulders for the last few weeks they're naturally big and I get a nice pump on them.

I need to being wearing suits for a wedding and the horse races so I don't want the too big because the suit doesn't fit properly!

That's being said I'm doing a full upper body pump tomorrow after a rest day today!

Thanks lads appreciate the comments a lot,

Smiler :D
 
Smiler said:
I must admit I haven't been training shoulders for the last few weeks they're naturally big and I get a nice pump on them.

I need to being wearing suits for a wedding and the horse races so I don't want the too big because the suit doesn't fit properly!

That's being said I'm doing a full upper body pump tomorrow after a rest day today!

Thanks lads appreciate the comments a lot,

Smiler :D
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I have to admit suits are a pain in the ass for me. My shoulder width makes me wear a 50 but I have a 34 waist and I have to get it taken in a **** ton lol
 
This is epistane solo with no test? If so this is one of the best epi transformations ive seen.
 
This is Epistane solo with no test diet has been as below:

Meal 1
50g Porridge Oats with Alpro Coconut & Almond Milk
Protein shake

Meal 2
150g Chicken Breast/250g Turkey Mince/ 250g Lean Beef Mince
(One of the above)
100g Sweet Potato
80g Spring Greens

Meal 3
Same as meal 2

Meal 4
3 egg omelette
1 Banana

Meal 5
Same as meal 1

Snack
Handful of walnuts

Calories: 1905
Fat: 51.6g
Sat Fat: 18.3g
Protein: 191.5g
Carbs: 153g
Sugar: 37.8g
Salt: 3.88g

But I have had a few treats like chocolate and one or two cheat meals it will be 5 weeks on my cycle on Tuesday one more week left then PCT.

This was my first pro hormone cycle so very happy!
 
Epi will do that for your first cycle, before the ban on ph I did my first and gained 30lbs, oh which all I retained. The nolva helped but I can tell you it's not easy after your cycle to stay motivated, my buddy had issues with consistently going afterwards and lost a lot of his gains. Solid gains though man.
 
Smiler said:
I'm going to be running a very strict diet and no alcohol whilst on the cycle going to run for six weeks.

Good luck with the megatren!

For PCT I'm just using Clomid and an AI, along with the Clomadex that I stupidly bought as part of a stack deal.

Thanks,
Smiler :D
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Was one bottle of the epistane enough to run 6 weeks?
 
HTGduck said:
Hows your libido hanging in there man?
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Not too good to be honest it's a good job the girlfriend has been on holiday for three weeks!

No desire for sex but I tested some viagra on Thursday and I'll be all good to go apart from a splitting headache

I've had mixed options to run alpha xt with pct or after pct any comments would be highly appreciated

Thank you,
Smiler :D
 
Smiler said:
Not too good to be honest it's a good job the girlfriend has been on holiday for three weeks!

No desire for sex but I tested some viagra on Thursday and I'll be all good to go apart from a splitting headache

I've had mixed options to run alpha xt with pct or after pct any comments would be highly appreciated

Thank you,
Smiler :D
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Alphamax xt with a serm. I would cialis over viagra due to the much longer halflife.
 
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