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looking for a little advice or insight on whether or not cycle looks g2g i have used hormones before but i dont consider prohormones real gear the gains from them and inj are no where near each other. any way 2 years ago i did 2 prohormone cycles ended up around 210 lbs at 5'9 14% bodyfat kept it for a while then life got in the way had to take a break now im 172lbs and around 15% bodyfat. cycle looks like
test c 750mg per week 16 weeks
eq 600 or 750 mg for 16 weeks
goal is clean bulk 7 meals a day consisting of clean proteins and carbs and fat such as chicken rice cocunut oil etc.
pct will look like clomid 100mg 2 weeks after last pin for 2 weeks then 50 mg for 2weeks alongside nolva at 20mg for 4 weeks. i will be running an ai of course pfizer aromasin at 12.5 mg every 2-3 days throughout the entire cycle as well as pct. just wana make sure i have all my ts crossed and i's dotted thanks for any advice.
 
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If this is your first cycle I'd suggest 500 milligrams of each for 16 weeks
 
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That's such an overdose of test. Like stated 500 is enough , i rather do high eq
 

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That's such an overdose of test. Like stated 500 is enough , i rather do high eq
fair enough, personally i was thinking of running the test and eq a little higher because i have done prohormones and i was told my Androgen receptors might need a little extra since i already have popped that first time cherry with going to the dark side with some garbage ass msten rx
 
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fair enough, personally i was thinking of running the test and eq a little higher because i have done prohormones and i was told my Androgen receptors might need a little extra since i already have popped that first time cherry with going to the dark side with some garbage ass msten rx
High test is for Ronnie Coleman. High test is filled with estrogen and no you won't need that much test cause of some oral only cycle. This is at another level, you can gain a lot on dbol but you'll lose the weight, on test it's so easy to keep muscles even if you'll lose some you should be able to see a noticeable difference afterwards.

After running many cycles you'll notice that high dosage is overrated and the right compounds and combinations is what matters. I would never exceed 500 mg of test and I rather use test as a base with things like eq,primo etc. Don't trust everything you read or what people tell you because most people suggesting you to run dbol at 100 mg with 1gr of test looks like bloated whales. Focus on diet and lean gains not estrogen and bloat that will make you look big for 2 weeks. 700 mg is not gonna make much more difference but it'll bloat you more , water you'll lose.
 
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Wait a minute, something ain’t right here...
First of all your saying prohormones aren’t real gear.. then 750mg of test per week ... and 100mg of clomid pct? Who’s giving you this advice bro? Your dealer? Not to disrespect you in any way. We’re all here to learn but:
1; you can get really good gains from Ph’s and keepable ones too
2; 750mg of test sounds pretty high as the guys say above, a clean bulk on that amount ain’t gonna be easy.
3; no need to ever go above 50mg of clomid
Good luck whatever you do
 

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High test is for Ronnie Coleman. High test is filled with estrogen and no you won't need that much test cause of some oral only cycle. This is at another level, you can gain a lot on dbol but you'll lose the weight, on test it's so easy to keep muscles even if you'll lose some you should be able to see a noticeable difference afterwards.

After running many cycles you'll notice that high dosage is overrated and the right compounds and combinations is what matters. I would never exceed 500 mg of test and I rather use test as a base with things like eq,primo etc. Don't trust everything you read or what people tell you because most people suggesting you to run dbol at 100 mg with 1gr of test looks like bloated whales. Focus on diet and lean gains not estrogen and bloat that will make you look big for 2 weeks. 700 mg is not gonna make much more difference but it'll bloat you more , water you'll lose.
fair enough
 

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Wait a minute, something ain’t right here...
First of all your saying prohormones aren’t real gear.. then 750mg of test per week ... and 100mg of clomid pct? Who’s giving you this advice bro? Your dealer? Not to disrespect you in any way. We’re all here to learn but:
1; you can get really good gains from Ph’s and keepable ones too
2; 750mg of test sounds pretty high as the guys say above, a clean bulk on that amount ain’t gonna be easy.
3; no need to ever go above 50mg of clomid
Good luck whatever you do
prohormones are ****ing garbage eleveati g your hormones that high for 4 weeks then cometley dropping them below baseline is pointless and anybidy knows that prohormone gains are nothing compared to the real **** or everybody would be taking that instwad of jabbing themselves and im only doimg 100 mg of clomid for 2 weeks because i plan on bei g in for 16 weeks the testes need more stimulation after being shut down for that long
edit-running a 4 week 50 mg clomid approach didn't work to well on pct for me i had to run it an extra couple weeks to feel normal again so instead of running it longer would just double the dose
 
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prohormones are ****ing garbage eleveati g your hormones that high for 4 weeks then cometley dropping them below baseline is pointless and anybidy knows that prohormone gains are nothing compared to the real **** or everybody would be taking that instwad of jabbing themselves and im only doimg 100 mg of clomid for 2 weeks because i plan on bei g in for 16 weeks the testes need more stimulation after being shut down for that long
All orals do that not just phs, you want test even with orals. You don't need to go 16 weeks, 12 is fine. Your gains will slow down after about 9 weeks on e and kick in within 4 probably. Orals aren't bad, you just don't wanna run them without test ever, simple as that. Clomid at 100 Is possible but sides tend to come at 50 with blurry vision, better stack nolva with clomid at half dosage. you're complicating the cycle too much.

Test e 500 mg 12 weeks
Arimidex on hand at least

Nolva and clomid stacked two weeks after last pin, nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/25/25.

Something to control cortisol during pct, consider running cardarine throughout cycle and pct.
 
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If you thought msten was garbage then it was bunk or you don't know how to eat n train. Most ph are on par with oral steroid
 
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Wait a minute, something ain’t right here...
First of all your saying prohormones aren’t real gear.. then 750mg of test per week ... and 100mg of clomid pct? Who’s giving you this advice bro? Your dealer? Not to disrespect you in any way. We’re all here to learn but:
1; you can get really good gains from Ph’s and keepable ones too
2; 750mg of test sounds pretty high as the guys say above, a clean bulk on that amount ain’t gonna be easy.
3; no need to ever go above 50mg of clomid
Good luck whatever you do
Good advice right here.
 

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If you thought msten was garbage then it was bunk or you don't know how to eat n train. Most ph are on par with oral steroid
i never said they dont work, i gained 18 lbs of msten first cycle then another 24 lbs off of super dmz 5 months later i say they are garbage because they have so many more health issues and sides that are harhder to control,
 
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I'm so confused, you gained 40 lbs on 2 prohormone cycles. I'd praise them
 

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I'm so confused, you gained 40 lbs on 2 prohormone cycles. I'd praise them[/Q

gains dont matter when your nipples swell up and keep you from taking ur shirt off **** sucked
i edited the last post but ir didn't show up i got delayed gyno from the super dmz even tho i used a pharmaceutical ai and research liquid ai one of them had to be real and 2 months after pct i got delayed gyno from the dmz thats why i hate phs
 

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Gotta learn how to control sides, test can absolutely do the same thing, especially if you are estrogen sensitive
you tell me what i did wrong i ran aromasin 12.5 mg every 3 days for 4 1/2 weeks through the dmz cycle. not sure what else you can do also i looked it up and there are alot of delayed gyno reported cases from suoerdrol and dimethazine
 

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Did u get problems on cycle or pct
no sir i felt like a ****ing demigod starting week 2 and prolly most of pct i did 50 mg clomid ed for 4 weeks alongside hcgenerate and aromasin felt fine after pct dick got harf everything 2 months later woke up one day with pointy nips and quarter sized discs under nips
 

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the only side i did notice during pct after the dmz cycle whuch i noticed while i was on is my ****in neck got massive like i went from pencil neck to nfl linebacker neck and it looked like water ret
 
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That's estrogen rebound, use a ai on the tail end of pct and taper off. Also hcgenerate is super over priced and the owner of that company is super shady
 

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alright duely noted and ik forking over 80 to 120$ for a test booster is rediclous but it had good reviews so i said why not, but tbh becuase of what the phs did to me i said screw orals but people ik are telling me oral quickstart is the best way to go shoukd i feel my way slowl with like 500mg test and 600 mg eq or should i throw like 20mg dbol for 4 weeks to? im just so scared of gyno 5000 was not cheap
 
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alright duely noted and ik forking over 80 to 120$ for a test booster is rediclous but it had good reviews so i said why not, but tbh becuase of what the phs did to me i said screw orals but people ik are telling me oral quickstart is the best way to go shoukd i feel my way slowl with like 500mg test and 600 mg eq or should i throw like 20mg dbol for 4 weeks to? im just so scared of gyno 5000 was not cheap
Brother, after what you've been through, I definitely would NOT add Dbol. These guys are giving you great advice.
 
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I'd start with test at 300mg of test then you can bump to 500mg and then bump to 750mg
You might be satisfied with the low dose.
EQ 800mg the whole time.
Your biggest hurdle is going to be wait time.
Your going to bored for a month waiting for the GEAR to kick in
 
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If you thought msten was garbage then it was bunk or you don't know how to eat n train. Most ph are on par with oral steroid
Pretty sure Msten is actually an AAS anyways. Just like how people call superdrol a prohormone...lol
 
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Brother, after what you've been through, I definitely would NOT add Dbol. These guys are giving you great advice.
??? What has he gone through that adding an oral AAS to kickstart an injectable cycle would be a bad idea? It seems like he’s ran msten, or what he thought was Msten, which is an AAS anyways.
There is a reason orals are used to start things off: they can kick in quick and bring on INCREDIBLE strength gains.
 
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??? What has he gone through that adding an oral AAS to kickstart an injectable cycle would be a bad idea? It seems like he’s ran msten, or what he thought was Msten, which is an AAS anyways.
There is a reason orals are used to start things off: they can kick in quick and bring on INCREDIBLE strength gains.
"gains dont matter when your nipples swell up and keep you from taking ur shirt off **** sucked
i edited the last post but ir didn't show up i got delayed gyno from the super dmz even tho i used a pharmaceutical ai and research liquid ai one of them had to be real and 2 months after pct i got delayed gyno from the dmz thats why i hate phs"

I never said he wouldn't gain anything from Dbol. But he said he already gained gyno from DMZ, so he should DEFINITELY stay away from Dbol for now.
 
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"gains dont matter when your nipples swell up and keep you from taking ur shirt off **** sucked
i edited the last post but ir didn't show up i got delayed gyno from the super dmz even tho i used a pharmaceutical ai and research liquid ai one of them had to be real and 2 months after pct i got delayed gyno from the dmz thats why i hate phs"

I never said he wouldn't gain anything from Dbol. But he said he already gained gyno from DMZ, so he should DEFINITELY stay away from Dbol for now.
You tapered off exemestane at the end of your PCT and still got gyno from DMZ only?
 
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You tapered off exemestane at the end of your PCT and still got gyno from DMZ only?
It was super dmz, think it's msten and dmz. There were multiple versions of super dmz and every new 1 had a additional compound
 

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