1ad, 4ad cycle

I have 2 questions about AMS products. Never used PH. If I'll run the Anabolic Growth kit (1 andro - 4 andro - decavol) at the recommended dose, I'll need a SERM or is enough Arom X and eventually some naturally testobooster as PCT?
And how much time for run another kit?
Thanks.
 
Feiwong said:
I have 2 questions about AMS products. Never used PH. If I'll run the Anabolic Growth kit (1 andro - 4 andro - decavol) at the recommended dose, I'll need a SERM or is enough Arom X and eventually some naturally testobooster as PCT?
And how much time for run another kit?
Thanks.
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Would it be needed? No
You could get away with adding only hpta from iron champ
 
If the andros are your forte, I'd highly recommend Epi-Andro over 1,4 Andro. If anyone has any questions regarding the iml line, or needs any help or cycle advice, I'm pretty well versed and here to help
 
Olestra said:
Why do you think it's better?
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Primarily personal preference based on experience.

Epi-Andro. It is actually my favorite product we have, especially dosed upwards of 300 - 400mg (6-8 caps respectively), however 200mg (4 caps) will work great too.

The piperine gfe delivery system enhances absorption rate, allowing more compound to be metabolized and utilized by the body.

It is very low on sides, can help promote lypolysis (fat loss), it increases muscle density and strength, it brings out vascularity by expelling subcutaneous water under the skin, improves libido, and helps with lethargy that many people experience from several hormones.

It stacks well with just about anything, and can enhance user experience of any cycle.
 
Adrenolin said:
Primarily personal preference based on experience.

Epi-Andro. It is actually my favorite product we have, especially dosed upwards of 300 - 400mg (6-8 caps respectively), however 200mg (4 caps) will work great too.

The piperine gfe delivery system enhances absorption rate, allowing more compound to be metabolized and utilized by the body.

It is very low on sides, can help promote lypolysis (fat loss), it increases muscle density and strength, it brings out vascularity by expelling subcutaneous water under the skin, improves libido, and helps with lethargy that many people experience from several hormones.

It stacks well with just about anything, and can enhance user experience of any cycle.
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How well would it stack with dht?
 
EpiAndro isn't going to build muscle unless you already have low testosterone. It's a DHT prohormone so just look at exogenous studies on DHT administration. There's nothing incredible about them for muscle building purposes.

1-Andro actually builds muscle.

Having said that I prefer the 1-Andro + epiAndro stack over 1-andro+ 4-AD for a lot of the reasons mentioned. A primary metabolite if epiandro is also a potent aromatase inhibitor so that's a nice side effect.
 
Adrenolin said:
If the andros are your forte, I'd highly recommend Epi-Andro over 1,4 Andro. If anyone has any questions regarding the iml line, or needs any help or cycle advice, I'm pretty well versed and here to help
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Now thats how reps should respond to questions! Thank you sir!
 
Awesome, thanks for the info. I have been trying to decide on what I should take as my base for the 1-AD. Think I'll go with the epiandro and keep the dermatrest in my stash. What's a good dosage of epiandro for just a base?
 
pcarzola said:
Now thats how reps should respond to questions! Thank you sir!
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Na, he doesn't really know what he's talking about.

Dht sucks for building muscle and is quickly metabolized in the muscle into an inactive metabolite before it can do anything worthwhile.

Great for minor anti e, libido, strength an combating lethargy though, well, if you respond well

But solo it's a waste of money.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
EpiAndro isn't going to build muscle unless you already have low testosterone. It's a DHT prohormone so just look at exogenous studies on DHT administration. There's nothing incredible about them for muscle building purposes.

1-Andro actually builds muscle.

Having said that I prefer the 1-Andro + epiAndro stack over 1-andro+ 4-AD for a lot of the reasons mentioned. A primary metabolite if epiandro is also a potent aromatase inhibitor so that's a nice side effect.
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So LG cutting andro kit (1 andro, epiandro, M10 andro) is a good choice for bulking as well.
 
jbryand101b said:
Na, he doesn't really know what he's talking about.

Dht sucks for building muscle and is quickly metabolized in the muscle into an inactive metabolite before it can do anything worthwhile.
Great for minor anti e, libido, strength an combating lethargy though, well, if you respond well

But solo it's a waste of money.
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Same question for you.
 
jbryand101b said:
Na, he doesn't really know what he's talking about.

Dht sucks for building muscle and is quickly metabolized in the muscle into an inactive metabolite before it can do anything worthwhile.

Great for minor anti e, libido, strength an combating lethargy though, well, if you respond well

But solo it's a waste of money.
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If you re-read what I wrote, I said it increases the hardness of muscle tissue by pulling in water and glycogen. Increased muscle density has nothing to due with specifically building muscle, which I never even stated. Was there anything else you disagreed with in post?
 
Adrenolin said:
If the andros are your forte, I'd highly recommend Epi-Andro over 1,4 Andro. If anyone has any questions regarding the iml line, or needs any help or cycle advice, I'm pretty well versed and here to help
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Adrenolin said:
If you re-read what I wrote, I said it increases the hardness of muscle tissue by pulling in water and glycogen. Increased muscle density has nothing to due with specifically building muscle, which I never even stated. Was there anything else you disagreed with in post?
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This is what he quoted, which states nothing of the such.
If andros are your forte, which androgens are andro's, dht and pro dht are best for adding to a cycle, not using solo.
 
Adrenolin said:
You mean like I stated here at the bottom of my post?
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That's a different quote, no one responded to that quote.

You keep bringing up other comments.

Just be like, what I meant to say was..... And call it a day.
You were quoted a specific quote, not sure why you keep referring to other quotes.

I understand your pushing your products.

A lot of people like pro dht for reasons we both stated.
I think the compound sucks. That's my opinion.
 
Quote or no quote I'm just disputing your ignorant comment that I don't know anything, where everything you've debated, I've already previously stated.
 
Adrenolin said:
Quote or no quote I'm just disputing your ignorant comment that I don't know anything, where everything you've debated, I've already previously stated.
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So your saying you say one thing, then turn around an say something else?
basically,
Epi andro is the way to go if you like andros, but it's only good for a few things, and anabolism isn't one if them.
Lulz.
 
jbryand101b said:
So your saying you say one thing, then turn around an say something else?
basically,
Epi andro is the way to go if you like andros, but it's only good for a few things, and anabolism isn't one if them.
Lulz.
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Elaborate on that first line.

Never stated EA was good for building muscle. Increasing the hardness (ie. density) of a muscle and pronouncing vascularity has nothing to do with anabolism. Glad we both know our hormones. /thread.
 
I'm currently 24 days into an AMS 1-Andro and 4-AD cycle. It will be 8 weeks long. Dosage is 1-Andro 4x a day, 4-AD 3x a day. I'm just past the 21 day mark, where this combo is supposed to "kick in". Aggression is up, as referenced by others unprompted, so something is working. Vasularity is more pronounced. Strength is up way past the progression that has occurred "natty" for the last year. I'm recomping and have averaged 1.25 pounds per week fat loss. My scale weight has slowed at the same macro's, yet the tape and calipers continue to shrink. We'll see at week 8, but I'm not dissatisfied currently. No estro or hair issues so far.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm currently 24 days into an AMS 1-Andro and 4-AD cycle. It will be 8 weeks long. Dosage is 1-Andro 4x a day, 4-AD 3x a day. I'm just past the 21 day mark, where this combo is supposed to "kick in". Aggression is up, as referenced by others unprompted, so something is working. Vasularity is more pronounced. Strength is up way past the progression that has occurred "natty" for the last year. I'm recomping and have averaged 1.25 pounds per week fat loss. My scale weight has slowed at the same macro's, yet the tape and calipers continue to shrink. We'll see at week 8, but I'm not dissatisfied currently. No estro or hair issues so far.
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Glad its working for you!
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm currently 24 days into an AMS 1-Andro and 4-AD cycle. It will be 8 weeks long. Dosage is 1-Andro 4x a day, 4-AD 3x a day. I'm just past the 21 day mark, where this combo is supposed to "kick in". Aggression is up, as referenced by others unprompted, so something is working. Vasularity is more pronounced. Strength is up way past the progression that has occurred "natty" for the last year. I'm recomping and have averaged 1.25 pounds per week fat loss. My scale weight has slowed at the same macro's, yet the tape and calipers continue to shrink. We'll see at week 8, but I'm not dissatisfied currently. No estro or hair issues so far.
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Any side effects? an what about libido? I'm going to run the growth anabolic kit by AMS (1-Andro, 4-Andro, Decavol) at the recomned dose and is the very first time for me in the PH's.
 
None yet. I too was all panic-y about sides, but was told (and it's bearing out) to relax, DHEA is a mild cycle. I *am* adding some stuff that normally isn't used by the masses based on research here, because I am married and was worried about libido as well. I'm taking 2 caps TestoJack200 3x a day, 3.2g DAA 5 on 2 off (from reading Mind and Muscle), and 1 cap Inhibit-P. I have always taken Growth Factor XT, so the Inhibit-P may be superfluous. Libido is fine, and seems stronger after I hit the 21 day mark. Now, I may just be wasting money, and the 4-DHEA would have done the trick, but I wanted safe rather than sorry in that department.

Note: I am NOT dosing according to label, so you can expect less of everything (probably) if doing so. I also did NOT take the 19-Nor-DHEA, as I wanted a simple cycle in case of problems, assess tolerance, etc...

Cycle Support is insane - I bought everything, LOL. Including a BP Monitor, Hahahaha (srs).
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm taking 2 caps TestoJack200 3x a day, 3.2g DAA 5 on 2 off (from reading Mind and Muscle), and 1 cap Inhibit-P. I have always taken Growth Factor XT, so the Inhibit-P may be superfluous. Libido is fine, and seems stronger after I hit the 21 day mark.
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Just as a note of caution, be careful taking that much L-dopa. Yes it works really freakin' well but it can really screw up your brain chemistry. It's a prodrug to dopamine. I used to love the stuff but I had a crazy experience from overdoing it one time and now I have learned to respect it and use sparingly if at all. I'd much rather take protodioscin, which doesn't add exogenous dopamine but instead prevents the natural levels of dopamine from breaking down. Kind of like the difference between AAS and a T booster.

I bought everything, LOL. Including a BP Monitor, Hahahaha (srs).
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Great Investment!
 
Thanks for the warning. I researched this before starting and figured, based on this:

7. Safety and Toxicity

One large double blind study noted no significant adverse effects from 15-30g of Mucuna Pruriens powder over the course of 12-20 weeks aside from one patient suffering from vomiting, which was deemed unrelated to the bioactivity of Mucuna but rather its digestability and palatability.[19]

In rats, doses of 32mg/kg or above are associated with 'some adverse side effects' (hyperventilation, reduced spontaneous motor activity, spontaneous erections) that appeared 1 hour after ingestion transiently, and doses up to 100mg/kg are free from more significant side effects for up to 12 weeks (study termination).[27]

7.1. Case studies

There were once reports of psychosis associated with Mucuna Pruriens ingestion (bean form), in which 203 cases of acute psychosis were recorded over a 6 week period during famine in Mozambique.[51] This was thought to be due to women (of which constituted 85% of the affected) eating raw beans prior to sufficient preparation, and the results may have been a combination of protein deficiency paired with Levodopa, Bufotenin and N,N-dimethyltryptamine (all of which are constituents of Mucuna Pruriens). It is highly unlikely these results can be extrapolated to first world supplementation.
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...that 5 caps of GFXT at night, and 1 cap of Inhibit-P mid-morning should be fine. I've had no adverse reactions yet. 8 weeks on, 8 off is the plan.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Thanks for the warning. I researched this before starting and figured, based on this:



...that 5 caps of GFXT at night, and 1 cap of Inhibit-P mid-morning should be fine. I've had no adverse reactions yet. 8 weeks on, 8 off is the plan.
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You should be fine, my side effects kicked in because I got experimental and tried to take it for longer than 8 weeks. Also I was taking a fenugreek product which inhibits the enzyme which breaks down dopamine, so that probably played a big part.
 
I have a "Andro lean stack" by AMS (one Epi-1, one 1-andro) but I also have a bottle of AMS 4-ad(30days). What would be the best way to cycle this?
Stack kit say first 15days 1-andro then 15days Epi-1, just ad 4-ad after to exdend cycle or stacked together?
 
Ok, so like this
Day1-30, 4-ad and 1-andro
Day 15-30, 4-ad and Epi-1
Day 30>>> pct: Recycle by Purus and Testagen by Gat
 
Zrob77 said:
Ok, so like this
Day1-15, 4-ad and 1-andro
Day 15-30, 4-ad and Epi-1
Day 30>>> pct: Recycle by Purus and Testagen by Gat
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I have recently run (17days) a Ostarine cycle 20mg/7weeks (+OL ep1c+ Cutler King), would it be to soon to start this AMS cycle?
I did no pct but feel good.

One more queistion:
Colud a bottle of AMS Decavol do any good for my cycle?
(also have more 4-ad and now BLR Ribirth)
 
Decavol is 19-Nor DHEA, and no one seems to run it, ie. it's definitely not as popular as 1-Andro. It should act like Nandrolone/"Deca"/NPP. Going by the 1/4 DHEA componds, it too would probably benefit the most by off label usage. I'll be doing 8 weeks of it, at 3 Tabs/Day, along with 4-AD, this summer, so we'll see. With off label dosage, I would personally use an Rx/RC SERM (Clomid/Nolva, etc...)
 
Thanks for the info, then I will run the Decavol later with 4-ad.

How about running my AMS cycle?
I have recently run (17days) a Ostarine cycle 20mg/7weeks (+OL ep1c+ Cutler King), would it be to soon to start this cycle now?
I did no pct but feel good.
 
I haven't done Ostarine. It suppresses as low as 3mg. "I feel great" means nothing without blood work or at least a long PCT (I do 6 weeks) with Rx/RC compounds. The general rule is to wait a couple months. I actually was contemplating the opposite of you - I wanted to use up some Ostarine I have gathering dust, after a PH cycle. I was told to wait, even for that mild compound (Ostarine @ 12.5mg/Day) - so wait I shall.
 
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