19 nor
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Renew1
Legend
Most of the questions you asked are compound-specific. 19-Nor isn't a compound.
But for the last one ... Yes, definitely, and of course a SERM should be used.
Whisky
Well-known member
As above bro, a 19nor isn’t in itself a compound, it’s describes a type of compound (deca and tren are both 19 nors)
people can find them tricky to manage (for some the sides are worse, they impact prolactin for example) so it’s not normally one you’d run until you’ve some experience and the questions you’ve asked suggest this would be a first cycle ?
people can find them tricky to manage (for some the sides are worse, they impact prolactin for example) so it’s not normally one you’d run until you’ve some experience and the questions you’ve asked suggest this would be a first cycle ?
TheVenom
Well-known member
First cycles are best kept simple. Try test by itself to see how you respond to AAS and to see if cycling is even for you. Just my .02
Hyde
Legend
Don’t do it. Not yet. Here me out.
If your stats are correct, my numbers were extremely similar to yours when I ran my very first cycle, which included 19-Nor DHEA actually. It went alright and I have improved over time, and I’m nowhere near done, but after 9 years I just totaled 1,504 at 242/sleeves with a significant hookgrip issue that held my deadlift back this past meet.
Imagine if you could just figure out how to get your total up to 1,200 even naturally - that would have you already at ~1,650 in my shoes now. Whatever you are lifting now, if you can figure out how to still progress via intelligent training and diet alone you will have the drugs later on to break more significant plateaus. They are your ace card. If you take them now, you won’t ever be able to really progress again without them.
I love AAS, but I really wish someone would have told me to just try harder first without it. Also, if you are going to juice do it right. Test E at 3-500mg/wk for a first run with exemestane around if an AI is needed and Nolvadex for PCT. Don’t pussyfoot around; this is an all-in life-affecting health decision. The OTC stuff isn’t safer.
If your stats are correct, my numbers were extremely similar to yours when I ran my very first cycle, which included 19-Nor DHEA actually. It went alright and I have improved over time, and I’m nowhere near done, but after 9 years I just totaled 1,504 at 242/sleeves with a significant hookgrip issue that held my deadlift back this past meet.
Imagine if you could just figure out how to get your total up to 1,200 even naturally - that would have you already at ~1,650 in my shoes now. Whatever you are lifting now, if you can figure out how to still progress via intelligent training and diet alone you will have the drugs later on to break more significant plateaus. They are your ace card. If you take them now, you won’t ever be able to really progress again without them.
I love AAS, but I really wish someone would have told me to just try harder first without it. Also, if you are going to juice do it right. Test E at 3-500mg/wk for a first run with exemestane around if an AI is needed and Nolvadex for PCT. Don’t pussyfoot around; this is an all-in life-affecting health decision. The OTC stuff isn’t safer.
Kool4445
Member
My stats have not been updated...current weight is 194.
Current PR’s
Squat: 420
Bench:295
Deadlift:515
New guy
Active member
If your goal is strength what kind of program are you running? It took me a long time to find a program that let me break past that 1.5x bodyweight bench. There's also some good natural products out there for strength too that might be worth looking into first. I'm in the same shoes of wanting to get stronger but I know once I hop on gear I'll never wanna go back. Just my .02
Rad83
Well-known member
Will need a lot of ‘product’ to see anything and supposedly veerryy little converts.
You will most likely be disappointed. Just sayin’
Smont
Legend
If someone is looking at dhea products it's highly unlikely there considering injectables
Hyde
Legend
Absolutely. And as someone who has used grams per day of the DHEA products, I can safely say that 300mg test blows the doors off any amount of DHEA, even after years of cycles.
Smont
Legend
Here's my opinion. 19 nor dhea, I've never ran it and never heard of anyone running it solo so probably not great, a proper dosed andro cycle for 8 weeks, 4 on Andros is pointless, is the most expensive cycle there is, you need like 3-4 bttls of whatever you pick and another 3-4 bttls of 4 andro to go with it. You still should have a real ai and serm pct too. If someone is not willing to inject and is dead set on a cycle then pick something like dmz or msten and run it with some 4 andro or epi andro.
But always keep in mind you could buy 1 bttl of test e 300 for 50 bucks and some nolva for 50 bucks and 25 pins for $15 have a 10 week cycle that's cheaper and more effective and cheaper then all this other stuff.
But always keep in mind you could buy 1 bttl of test e 300 for 50 bucks and some nolva for 50 bucks and 25 pins for $15 have a 10 week cycle that's cheaper and more effective and cheaper then all this other stuff.
Smont
Legend
Haha, look what I just wrote, you nailed it
TheVenom
Well-known member
I missed where he specified the compound, my mindset had me assuming it was something worth running
New guy
Active member
Agree with that, and also I’ve never heard good enough things about 19 not dhea to ever consider it. OP if you’re set on doing this do some research on here and take the advice of some experienced members. There’s not many safe or worthwhile ways to run oral only.