19-NOR Andro

[Acd9219]

I bought this compound in a TD form from Iron Mag Labs but decided to end the cycle after only starting for one day after reading on reddit on how ineffective it is, and how the metabolites can stick around for 6 months. I know it's suppose to be heavily suppressive as well but I'm on TRT so I'm not that worried about that. Anyone else have tried this compound or have any advice?

 

[Smont]

I bought this compound in a TD form from Iron Mag Labs but decided to end the cycle after only starting for one day after reading on reddit on how ineffective it is, and how the metabolites can stick around for 6 months. I know it's suppose to be heavily suppressive as well but I'm on TRT so I'm not that worried about that. Anyone else have tried this compound or have any advice?

I'm not a fan, most aren't, I only know of 1 person who likes it and he actually seems to like it quite a bit if I remember correctly. @PoSiTiVeFLoW

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

yea... the fact you have it in a TD does improve it over the oral version, vastly. but It still needs the proper enzymes to convert it into the target hormone and there not that many to go around making conversion this hormones bane.

 

[BCseacow83]

You have it so use it. Low doses of nandrolone(the target hormone) are very commonly used for minor joint relief while on TRT. ALL NANDROLONE with leave the metabolites around for a longtime, who cares once again you are on TRT. I also have had plenty of success with andros and at least for me the body produces plenty of the enzymes needed for conversion.

All that being said I HATE nandrolone and will never use it again. I have a script for 100mg/week deca and simply will not use it. NEVER has ANY other hormone so negatively effected me mentally and simultaneously killed my pecker. **** DECA. Its too bad because the joint relief was great and the fullness/density it gave my physique was great on such a low dose but simply not worth it for me personally.

 

[Acd9219]

I'm not a fan, most aren't, I only know of 1 person who likes it and he actually seems to like it quite a bit if I remember correctly. @PoSiTiVeFLoW

In your personal opinion you think I'm good to kick this one to the curb even though I already took it for one day? Or should I just go ahead and cycle through it since I already did? Was kind of my stupidity to put it into my body without all the data I was unaware of. Lol.

 

[Smont]

In your personal opinion you think I'm good to kick this one to the curb even though I already took it for one day? Or should I just go ahead and cycle through it since I already did? Was kind of my stupidity to put it into my body without all the data I was unaware of. Lol.

I mean, doesn't matter if you took something for one day or for one month, if you don't want to take it anymore you just don't take it anymore.

If you've never used it I would say can't hurt to run it and see what happens, your on testosterone so it's not like you need to worry about adding other compounds.

It's really just a matter of doing whatever you want to do.

I personally would chuck it or give it away,
but that's because I e used it and know it's not going to do anything for me. If I was in your position I'd probably use it and after 2 or 3 weeks based on what's going on make a decision. But after two or three weeks if I was getting nothing out of it or experiencing negative side effects I would probably chuck it

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

I'm not a fan, most aren't, I only know of 1 person who likes it and he actually seems to like it quite a bit if I remember correctly. @PoSiTiVeFLoW

So.. the 19-nor Andro I've been using is HiTech Decabolin or still have some Sup3r-19 nor from Olympus Labs UK.

What's its good for, mild strength boost, and helps avoid joint dryness with other cutting compounds. It does seem to give a hardening effect.

It's not a mind blowing compound like MSten or DMZ, but.. used as a "stacker" can be pretty useful and low sides..

I've not tried a TD 19-nor, if dosed well and used with other PED could be good I'd think.

 

[Acd9219]

So.. the 19-nor Andro I've been using is HiTech Decabolin or still have some Sup3r-19 nor from Olympus Labs UK.

What's its good for, mild strength boost, and helps avoid joint dryness with other cutting compounds. It does seem to give a hardening effect.

It's not a mind blowing compound like MSten or DMZ, but.. used as a "stacker" can be pretty useful and low sides..

I've not tried a TD 19-nor, if dosed well and used with other PED could be good I'd think.

So.. the 19-nor Andro I've been using is HiTech Decabolin or still have some Sup3r-19 nor from Olympus Labs UK.

What's its good for, mild strength boost, and helps avoid joint dryness with other cutting compounds. It does seem to give a hardening effect.

It's not a mind blowing compound like MSten or DMZ, but.. used as a "stacker" can be pretty useful and low sides..

I've not tried a TD 19-nor, if dosed well and used with other PED could be good I'd think.

I take it the prohormone "Durabolin" is the same thing as "19 Nor Andro"? I know they ultimately both convert to Deca but maybe the esters are different? I'd rather just run real Deca honestly but with the legality the prohormones are just more convenient. I might give this one a try just to see how it works.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

I take it the prohormone "Durabolin" is the same thing as "19 Nor Andro"? I know they ultimately both convert to Deca but maybe the esters are different? I'd rather just run real Deca honestly but with the legality the prohormones are just more convenient. I might give this one a try just to see how it works.

Umm.. so you have to look at the compound on the ingredient list.

Both HiTech Decabolin and Sup3r-19 nor are : 19-NorAndrost-4-ene-3b-ol, 17-one based...

What's on "Durabolin" TD ingredient label. Or did you mean actual Deca Durabolin?

 

[Smont]

I take it the prohormone "Durabolin" is the same thing as "19 Nor Andro"? I know they ultimately both convert to Deca but maybe the esters are different? I'd rather just run real Deca honestly but with the legality the prohormones are just more convenient. I might give this one a try just to see how it works.

What's the actual ingredients/chemical structure on the back of the label say. You definitely can't just go by the name of a product because companies are sneaky. A supplement company can call a product Dball and then you flip it over and the ingredients are creatine and vitamin c lol.

Don't ever buy products without checking the actual ingredients

 

[Oliver Kween]

Do Ostaplex from HIGHTECH hat the same 19 nor in the composition ?

 

[Acd9219]

What's the actual ingredients/chemical structure on the back of the label say. You definitely can't just go by the name of a product because companies are sneaky. A supplement company can call a product Dball and then you flip it over and the ingredients are creatine and vitamin c lol.

Don't ever buy products without checking the actual ingredients

Yeah I have seem that before Crazybulk does that with their supplements which is outrageous. I have just seen an ingredient with the name "Durabolin" in Prohormones before like Yetti DNA Resurrection which I would never use due to the liver toxicity of all the access compounds.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Do Ostaplex from HIGTECH hat the same 19 nor ?

Interesting, Hi-Tech website is claiming this 19-nor-DHEA flavor is a SARM / has SARM properties. It's a bit different than the one I am referring to
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"OSTA-PLEX® Ingredients:

19-nor- androst-4- ene-17- one Enanthate: The only known completely legal and extremely effective SARM on the market today. This compound can increase Lean Body Mass and increase size, but it has SARM properties. SARM’s are “Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators” which simply means they are selective in which androgen receptors they choose to attach to. They have an extremely high affinity for androgen receptors in our smooth muscle tissue. This helps lead to significant size and strength enhancement, but does not affect the prostate or other organs normally affected by hormones. 19Nor-Dehydroepiandrosterone (also known as 19 Nor-DHEA) is not to be confused with DHEA, 19nor-Dehydroepiandrosterone lacks a carbon molecule in the 19-position dramatically differentiating it from DHEA. 19Nor-DHEA binds to the androgen receptor better than testosterone and is also a 5-alpha-reduced compound, meaning it cannot convert to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) or estrogen.
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Anyway, it seems Decabolin + OSTA-PLEX here are sold as a complimentary stack. So I am traveling.. but I don't think these are the same ingredient unless they are playing O-chem nomenclature games.

 

[Smont]

Interesting, Hi-Tech website is claiming this 19-nor-DHEA flavor is a SARM / has SARM properties. It's a bit different than the one I am referring to
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"OSTA-PLEX® Ingredients:

19-nor- androst-4- ene-17- one Enanthate: The only known completely legal and extremely effective SARM on the market today. This compound can increase Lean Body Mass and increase size, but it has SARM properties. SARM’s are “Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators” which simply means they are selective in which androgen receptors they choose to attach to. They have an extremely high affinity for androgen receptors in our smooth muscle tissue. This helps lead to significant size and strength enhancement, but does not affect the prostate or other organs normally affected by hormones. 19Nor-Dehydroepiandrosterone (also known as 19 Nor-DHEA) is not to be confused with DHEA, 19nor-Dehydroepiandrosterone lacks a carbon molecule in the 19-position dramatically differentiating it from DHEA. 19Nor-DHEA binds to the androgen receptor better than testosterone and is also a 5-alpha-reduced compound, meaning it cannot convert to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) or estrogen.
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Anyway, it seems Decabolin + OSTA-PLEX here are sold as a complimentary stack. So I am traveling.. but I don't think these are the same ingredient unless they are playing O-chem nomenclature games.

Technically almost everything other then testosterone is a sarm. Everyone likes to argue with me about it but that's because they don't actually understand what sarms are. They just think of the typical sarms.

All the steroids we have were made to be steroidal sarms. More selective then testosterone to androgen receptors.

Masteron is a steroidal sarm, nandrolone decanoate or npp is a steroidal sarm, TREN is a steroidal sarm.

So technically any hormonal with selectivity to androgen receptors can be a sarm.

 

[Acd9219]

I decided to just go ahead and run it since it was kind of expensive and I already have it. So far I am experiencing more Euphoria. Havnt worked out on it yet but I'll keep you guys posted.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Technically almost everything other then testosterone is a sarm. Everyone likes to argue with me about it but that's because they don't actually understand what sarms are. They just think of the typical sarms.

All the steroids we have were made to be steroidal sarms. More selective then testosterone to androgen receptors.

Masteron is a steroidal sarm, nandrolone decanoate or npp is a steroidal sarm, TREN is a steroidal sarm.

So technically any hormonal with selectivity to androgen receptors can be a sarm.

Truth.. it's technically clever, correct marketing in this case.

 

[Oliver Kween]

Oh yes.... at one time I let myself be seduced by "CrazyFulck....". I did not understand the athletes who denied the brand. It took me a lot of checking to find that the ingredients are still the same on the back of the bottle. They just change places and PLOP! They have a new name.... Especially since for "vitamins" we have already done better... I suppose that this kind of product is aimed at very young beginners who only rely on placebo effects and who have all their chances on their side because they are in great shape...

There was only one product that interested me and that seemed to work (unless I was too young lol).

It was Somardol https://enhancetestosterone.com/somadrol-2-0-test-et-avis/

But there was a change of version and ingredients. Which meant that it no longer had the expected effects.... And it became obsolete.
I guess the first version had a "different" product than vitamins, because I swelled well with them.... If someone has already used it, I'd be curious to have an opinion!

 

[Acd9219]

Okay guys so I been about a week into this, and and so far I have noticed I have very little to no joint soreness when lifting heavy. I have also noticed more fullness, faster recovery. Able to rep out more heavier weights. Not sure if that's the 19 Nor Andro or the 5 Keto DHEA or a combination of the both combined. I like it so far. Not mind blowing results but definitely decent. In my personal opinion I would compare this one to LGD 4033. That's just me though. Seems to carry more water weight as well.

 

[Oliver Kween]

Yhea, that's bell's like it's come from the combination. But sure 5-keto ? Not 7-keto ?

Just 19 Nor Andro is enough strong enough to make you feel what you say that said.

No supplement around ? (T booster etc...)

 

[Acd9219]

Yhea, that's bell's like it's come from the combination. But sure 5-keto ? Not 7-keto ?

Just 19 Nor Andro is enough strong enough to make you feel what you say that said.

No supplement around ? (T booster etc...)

My fault 7-Keto, yes. Just running my TRT, and Anastrozole once a week. I also got Cialis on deck as well if I start getting the ED issues. Luckily the doc prescribes me these. Overall I feel pretty good. It's not crazy dramatic strength and gain increases (Or not yet) but definitely noticeable.

 

[Acd9219]

BTW anyone wondering the product it's Lean AF by Iron Mag Labs.

 

[Oliver Kween]

It's good, cool

Ok I will check Lean AF. It has Ephedra ( and synephedrine ), maybe why you fell good Not sure, but Diodoo L for thyrosine must have some effect too.

I also learned that Cialis may play a role in muscle gain. So I have no experience on Trt (sorry).

Either way, the effects seem to be mild. A little for you but satisfactory, unless you look higher, and have to choose another way out

I only ran at 7 p.m. not once. Especially since I deal with Ph for the purpose of sports combat, and that I use them to keep a correct and solid muscular set. I don't try to inflate to be too heavy or clumsy.

The ideal would be to look like @Smont lol

So 19-nor didn't do much for me compared to PH like Anavar, Androdiol Epiandro, combined with aminos like beta-alanine, L-glutamine, creatine, myo. Caseine and Anabol PM.

I dropped 19 nor when I learned it broke libido.

With a good balance of what I quoted. And the right exercises. We get payoffs, not crazy mind-blowing, but an interesting structure for combat and for drawing well. Well there I have to redo my abs and accentuate myself by at least 2 - 3 cm of muscle everywhere.

Coming here I discovered the TD (crazy about Hyperion and Triton) very good products and very good results (APEX). Also SNS that make quality, for which I stopped ordering from elsewhere. I love their products!

 

[Acd9219]

Unfortunately I decided to end this cycle pretty short. It was not because I thought it was ineffective but more of the moodswings I was starting to have. It was really turning me into a moody bitch. Was snappy on my girlfriend and felt too edgy I guess you can say. I was also really stressed out before I started the cycle so maybe that contributed to it. I overall just didn't like how it made me feel mentally. Honestly I feel shitty since I stopped but I guess that was the risk I was willing to take with this one. Should I go ahead and run pct? My doctor does prescribe me Clomid.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Technically almost everything other then testosterone is a sarm. Everyone likes to argue with me about it but that's because they don't actually understand what sarms are. They just think of the typical sarms.

All the steroids we have were made to be steroidal sarms. More selective then testosterone to androgen receptors.

Masteron is a steroidal sarm, nandrolone decanoate or npp is a steroidal sarm, TREN is a steroidal sarm.

So technically any hormonal with selectivity to androgen receptors can be a sarm.

Well no,

AR’s are found in many different areas of your body. Like a serm, a Sarm is supposed to be selective in the tissue/organ which they express activity.

No that any really do a great job of being selective towards skeletal muscle yet.

 

[Smont]

Well no,

AR’s are found in many different areas of your body. Like a serm, a Sarm is supposed to be selective in the tissue/organ which they express activity.

No that any really do a great job of being selective towards skeletal muscle yet.

Gonna have to agree to disagree because you can go find plenty of medical literature that refers to almost every steroid as a "steroidal sarm".

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Unfortunately I decided to end this cycle pretty short. It was not because I thought it was ineffective but more of the moodswings I was starting to have. It was really turning me into a moody bitch. Was snappy on my girlfriend and felt too edgy I guess you can say. I was also really stressed out before I started the cycle so maybe that contributed to it. I overall just didn't like how it made me feel mentally. Honestly I feel shitty since I stopped but I guess that was the risk I was willing to take with this one. Should I go ahead and run pct? My doctor does prescribe me Clomid.

Yeah some of these prohormones, steroids cross the blood brain barrier and def affect mood. For me, many others the roid rage of concern is Tren Ace related, but this is also a 19-nor mild PH so could cause mood swings too.
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BTW anyone wondering the product it's Lean AF by Iron Mag Labs.

So just checked the ingredients label for IML's Lean AF.. wierd it says Nor-DHEA then calls out the 19-nor

Lean AF Cream – IronMag Labs Bodybuilding Supplements

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Lean AF Active ingredients:

1. 75mg Nor-DHEA (still 19-nor, just nomenclature game)?
2. 75mg 7-Keto® DHEA
3. 50mg 5-DHEA

Next time let's start with the actual compound you are running lolz.
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[Smont]

It's good, cool

Ok I will check Lean AF. It has Ephedra ( and synephedrine ), maybe why you fell good Not sure, but Diodoo L for thyrosine must have some effect too.

I also learned that Cialis may play a role in muscle gain. So I have no experience on Trt (sorry).

Either way, the effects seem to be mild. A little for you but satisfactory, unless you look higher, and have to choose another way out

I only ran at 7 p.m. not once. Especially since I deal with Ph for the purpose of sports combat, and that I use them to keep a correct and solid muscular set. I don't try to inflate to be too heavy or clumsy.

The ideal would be to look like @Smont lol

So 19-nor didn't do much for me compared to PH like Anavar, Androdiol Epiandro, combined with aminos like beta-alanine, L-glutamine, creatine, myo. Caseine and Anabol PM.

I dropped 19 nor when I learned it broke libido.

With a good balance of what I quoted. And the right exercises. We get payoffs, not crazy mind-blowing, but an interesting structure for combat and for drawing well. Well there I have to redo my abs and accentuate myself by at least 2 - 3 cm of muscle everywhere.

Coming here I discovered the TD (crazy about Hyperion and Triton) very good products and very good results (APEX). Also SNS that make quality, for which I stopped ordering from elsewhere. I love their products!

Lol

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

.... Especially since I deal with Ph for the purpose of sports combat, and that I use them to keep a correct and solid muscular set. I don't try to inflate to be too heavy or clumsy.

The ideal would be to look like @Smont lol
<Good goal>

So 19-nor didn't do much for me compared to PH like Anavar, Androdiol Epiandro, combined with aminos like beta-alanine, L-glutamine, creatine, myo. Caseine and Anabol PM.

I dropped 19 nor when I learned it broke libido....

Your post jumps around writing wise, but by PH here you are using marketing names from Hi Tech Products, yes? You know these are all DHEA or Andro basis, mild...not actual Anavar right?

Did you compare HiTech Decabolin (their 19-nor PH) versus other HiTech Andros like Androdiol (4-DHEA)?

 

[Oliver Kween]

Your post jumps around writing wise, but by PH here you are using marketing names from Hi Tech Products, yes? You know these are all DHEA or Andro basis, mild...not actual Anavar right?

Did you compare HiTech Decabolin (their 19-nor PH) versus other HiTech Andros like Androdiol (4-DHEA)?

You are right. By Ph, from my first adventures, I mean High Tech...

I started with Androdiol, 1-Testo, 1-ad, Anavar, Dymethazine (all Hightech). After I made other brands: Epi-50, buratle force. I had launched into it with poor Notions. Almost doing anything like sht

When I say anavar it is from their production. I have never done real Oxandrolone. Because for me, at the time, it was all about injection. Until I discovered the Orals. I separated steroids and PH, from Sarms and Xeno (https://www.mega-gear.net/fr/13-oral-t-bol.html ) etc...

It was when I arrived here that I started to learn better.
I begin to plan clearer programs, I inform him.

Guys like you force me to think better etc...

And to answer your question,

The only 19-Nor I used will be the one from ostaplex (Hight tech).
I can tell you that it didn't bring me much... I had more of an energizing effect with Androdiol or Anavar. I pair either with supplements like Myostack, T boost , Or creatine, EAA, and whey. None of the effects strong enough to say Osta's 19-nor did anything to me, other than a low libido.

 

[Acd9219]

Yeah some of these prohormones, steroids cross the blood brain barrier and def affect mood. For me, many others the roid rage of concern is Tren Ace related, but this is also a 19-nor mild PH so could cause mood swings too.
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So just checked the ingredients label for IML's Lean AF.. wierd it says Nor-DHEA then calls out the 19-nor

Lean AF Cream – IronMag Labs Bodybuilding Supplements

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Lean AF Active ingredients:

1. 75mg Nor-DHEA (still 19-nor, just nomenclature game)?
2. 75mg 7-Keto® DHEA
3. 50mg 5-DHEA

Next time let's start with the actual compound you are running lolz.
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Yeah I agree honestly. My excersize performance has stayed the same since I got off. I am still getting the fuller pumps, and joint comfort which I know is probably gonna plateu back down. If those are common side effects of Nandrolone I will probably never take a PH or the actual compound itself like ever. I never felt that way with SARMS. Do Nandrolone Metabolites really stay in your system for up to 18 months? Or is that over exaggerated?

 

[WesleyInman]

I'm very confused by this post. Nor Andro converts to legit Nandrolone.

4 andro to test
1 andro to 1-test
epi and R andro to DHT

These are legit "prohormones" and of course topical has a higher bio availability then oral.

Of course these must be used at a higher dose to see a decent result compared to say the injectable anabolics.

As for the LEAN AF, I have used that myself. I have used all of the musclegelz and iron mag labs product since I work for them

These are made in an FDA approved lab. Lab tested. High end products. Some of our musclegelz are even made by CVS pharmacy's medication manufacturer. Aka these items are the real deal. Pharmaceutical quality and grade.

Androshred aka 7keto dhea in a topical form is one of my favorite options for myself and clients. My gf has been on it about 12 months now.

It has the benefit, that it has fat loss properties and thermogenic style benefits, minus cardiovascular sides. Aka it won't stimulate resting heart rate.

It's def a very very good safe and effective option.

I personally prefer to mix the 7keto dhea with Cardarine. The result is stunning.

 

[Oliver Kween]

I'm very confused by this post. Nor Andro converts to legit Nandrolone.

4 andro to test
1 andro to 1-test
epi and R andro to DHT

These are legit "prohormones" and of course topical has a higher bio availability then oral.

Of course these must be used at a higher dose to see a decent result compared to say the injectable anabolics.

As for the LEAN AF, I have used that myself. I have used all of the musclegelz and iron mag labs product since I work for them

These are made in an FDA approved lab. Lab tested. High end products. Some of our musclegelz are even made by CVS pharmacy's medication manufacturer. Aka these items are the real deal. Pharmaceutical quality and grade.

Androshred aka 7keto dhea in a topical form is one of my favorite options for myself and clients. My gf has been on it about 12 months now.

It has the benefit, that it has fat loss properties and thermogenic style benefits, minus cardiovascular sides. Aka it won't stimulate resting heart rate.

It's def a very very good safe and effective option.

I personally prefer to mix the 7keto dhea with Cardarine. The result is stunning.

What does 7Keto + Carda bring you? more stamina? Or fat burning?

 

[Acd9219]

I'm very confused by this post. Nor Andro converts to legit Nandrolone.

4 andro to test
1 andro to 1-test
epi and R andro to DHT

These are legit "prohormones" and of course topical has a higher bio availability then oral.

Of course these must be used at a higher dose to see a decent result compared to say the injectable anabolics.

As for the LEAN AF, I have used that myself. I have used all of the musclegelz and iron mag labs product since I work for them

These are made in an FDA approved lab. Lab tested. High end products. Some of our musclegelz are even made by CVS pharmacy's medication manufacturer. Aka these items are the real deal. Pharmaceutical quality and grade.

Androshred aka 7keto dhea in a topical form is one of my favorite options for myself and clients. My gf has been on it about 12 months now.

It has the benefit, that it has fat loss properties and thermogenic style benefits, minus cardiovascular sides. Aka it won't stimulate resting heart rate.

It's def a very very good safe and effective option.

I personally prefer to mix the 7keto dhea with Cardarine. The result is stunning.

Do you know what Ester of Nandrolone is attached in the LEAN AF?