13 Weeks to RPS Rawdawg Nats: Herder's PUUUGHE Comeback

herderdude said:
Got glucosamine/chondroitin, MSM, and cissus and have ingested each. Let's keep nailing it. Also bought a Meshuggah and Korn CD. That's gonna make it easier. Little bro didn't dress in his last football game of the season due to hip flexor issues, so I bought him a rumble roller. So now I'm broke again. Fukk. All necessary things.
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Dude, consider curcumin, the Meriva formula. I've tried all of this stuff, and none of it touches Meriva, IMO. Stack it with Bioperine, black pepper, for even better bio-availability. Stuff is the bomb. Take it from the guy with 16 ortho surgeries in 5 years, and some vicious chronic pain as a result of a connective tissue disorder. ;)

I am going to add a study for you here.

J Pain Res. 2013;6:201-5. doi: 10.2147/JPR.S42184. Epub 2013 Mar 8.
Comparative evaluation of the pain-relieving properties of a lecithinized formulation of curcumin (Meriva(®)), nimesulide, and acetaminophen.
Di Pierro F, Rapacioli G, Di Maio EA, Appendino G, Franceschi F, Togni S.
Source
Velleja Research.
Abstract
In addition to its anti-inflammatory activity, Meriva(®), a proprietary lecithin formulation of curcumin, has been anecdotally reported to decrease acute pain in patients with various chronic diseases. Given that curcumin can desensitize transient receptor potential A1, a nociceptor seemingly also mediating the analgesic effect of acetaminophen, as well as inhibiting and downregulating the expression of cyclo-oxygenase 2, the selective target of nimesulide, a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory agent, we carried out a pilot comparative study of the acute pain-relieving properties of these three agents. At a dose of 2 g (corresponding to 400 mg of curcumin), Meriva showed clear analgesic activity, comparable with that of a standard dose (1 g) of acetaminophen, but lower than that of a therapeutic (100 mg) dose of nimesulide. The analgesic activity of lower (1.5 g) doses of Meriva was less satisfactory, and the onset of activity was longer than that of nimesulide for both doses. On the other hand, gastric tolerability was significantly better than that of nimesulide and comparable with that of acetaminophen. Taken together, our results show that the preclinical analgesic properties of curcumin have clinical relevance, at least at a dose of 2 g as the Meriva formulation. While this dose is significantly higher than that used to relieve chronic inflammatory conditions (1-1.2 g/day), its pain-relieving activity could benefit from the general downregulation of the inflammatory response induced by curcumin, considering that the transient receptor potential channel-mediated mechanisms of analgesia are magnified by attenuation of inflammation. In patients on treatment with Meriva, this would also translate into better control of acute pain, providing a rationale for the analgesic properties associated with this curcumin formulation.
KEYWORDS:
Meriva®, acetaminophen, acute pain, curcumin phytosome, nimesulide, tolerability
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Panminerva Med. 2010 Jun;52(2 Suppl 1):55-62.
Product-evaluation registry of Meriva®, a curcumin-phosphatidylcholine complex, for the complementary management of osteoarthritis.
Belcaro G, Cesarone MR, Dugall M, Pellegrini L, Ledda A, Grossi MG, Togni S, Appendino G.
Source
Irvine3 Labs, Department of Biomedical Sciences, Chieti-Pescara University, Pescara, Italy.
Abstract
AIM:
A proprietary complex of curcumin with soy phosphatidylcholine (Meriva®, Indena SpA) was evaluated in a registry study to define its efficacy in 50 patients with osteoarthritis (OA) at dosages corresponding to 200 mg curcumin per diem.
METHODS:
OA signs/symptoms were evaluated by the WOMAC scores. Mobility was studied by walking performance (treadmill), and inflammatory status was assessed by measurements of C-reactive protein (CRP).
RESULTS:
After three months of treatment, the global WOMAC score decreased by 58% (P<0.05), walking distance in the treadmill test was prolonged from 76 m to 332 m (P<0.05), and CRP levels decreased from 168 +/- 18 to 11.3 +/-. 4.1 mg/L in the subpopulation with high CRP. In comparison, the control group experienced only a modest improvement in these parameters (2% in the WOMAC score, from 82 m to 129 m in the treadmill test, and from 175 +/- 12.3 to 112 +/- 22.2 mg/L in the CRP plasma concentration), while the treatment costs (use of anti-inflammatory drugs, treatment and hospitalization) were reduced significantly in the treatment group.
CONCLUSION:
These results show that Meriva® is clinically effective in the management and treatment of osteoarthritis and suggest that the increased stability and better absorption of curcumin induced by complexation with phospholipids have clinical relevance, setting the stage for larger and more prolonged studies.
PMID: 20657536 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Here's a recent one re fish oil, in support of what someone else recommended. I still think the jury is sort of out re fish oil (there have been studies that have called into question some of its benefits), but it seems undeniable that it helps with inflammation/oxidative stress. It's cheap, and worth taking, but in my experience, it doesn't hold a candle to Meriva, which is the bombdiggity IMO, but YMMV.

Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2013 Nov 13. [Epub ahead of print]
Fish Oil Supplementation Reduces Markers of Oxidative Stress But Not Muscle Soreness After Eccentric Exercise.
Gray P, Chappell A, Jenkinson AM, Thies F, Gray SR.
Source

Institute of Medical Sciences, University of Aberdeen, United Kingdom.
Abstract
Due to the potential anti-inflammatory properties of fish-derived long chain n-3 fatty acids, it has been suggested that athletes should regularly consume fish oils, although evidence in support of this recommendation is not clear. While fish oils can positively modulate immune function, it remains possible that, due to their high number of double bonds, there may be concurrent increases in lipid peroxidation. The current study aims to investigate the effect of fish oil supplementation on exercise-induced markers of oxidative stress and muscle damage. Twenty males underwent a six week double blind randomised placebo-controlled supplementation trial involving two groups (fish oil or placebo). After supplementation, participants undertook 200 repetitions of eccentric knee contractions. Blood samples were taken pre-supplementation, post-supplementation, immediately, 24, 48 and 72h post-exercise and muscle soreness/maximal voluntary contraction (MVC) assessed. There were no differences in creatine kinase, proteincarbonyls, endogenous DNA damage, muscle soreness or MVC between groups. Plasma thiobarbituric acid reactive substances (TBARS) were lower (P<0.05) at 48 and 72h post exercise and H2O2 stimulated DNA damage was lower (P<0.05) immediately post-exercise in the fish oil, compared with the control group. The current study demonstrates that fish oil supplementation reduces selected markers of oxidative stress after a single bout of eccentric exercise.

PMID: 24225668 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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I will note that there is some controversy re taking anti-inflamms post workout, some claiming that the inflammation is a necessary part of muscle building. But I've never noticed it to interfere since I take this stuff chronically. Of course, it could be a matter of the pain reduction > the muscle building detriment. All FWIW, YMMV.
 
Good stuff. I'm going to have to read those when my ears stop ringing. Today was heavy squat day, and man, was it brutal.

460x3x2 that's 25lbs more than my previous 1RM on SSB. But we weighed the SSB today, and it's 50lbs. That stuff was frickin brutal. I'm so done with SSB.

Add pause (4s)

320x2 no belt
320x3 belted

Walkouts
500
550

Unracks
610
640

THIRTEEN PULL UPS!!

Ab Wheel/Side Bends

GHR
Whooped

Rev Hyper
Whooped

Got out. Those unracks have me depressed. Not because they went poorly, they actually went really well. They just really beat me up. I'm probably like four feet eleven right now. Good day, PRs all around. 460 felt light, but repping it was so hard.
 
Oh yeah, walkouts and unracks were done with the SSB. That's insanely hard.
 
Little brother couldn't get his hip flexors up to 100%, so he pulled today. This was his biggest successful lift:

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That's a 50lb PR, he missed 500, stalled at his knees. I finished him off with some glute bridges, KB swings, abs, and GHR.

EDIT rob112 see how far back his butt was? His shoulders lined up nicely with the bar (I always look at the armpit). He comes by that naturally, but that's what you're looking for on your pulls. You and he have a very similar style.
 
Thanks brother!


I gotta hinge it back on the set up. I'll video it Friday and see if I can get it better.
 
Swanson52 said:
Still in, gotta catch up.
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Basically, it's been going incredibly awesome up in here. 475x3 squat 3 weeks ago, 340x3 the other day, and pulls are also tuned up ready to go.
 
smoker145 said:
So have you figured out what your doing with you're weight after this meet?
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Cleaning up my diet, continuing to put performance first. Cleaning up my diet will result in some subtle weight loss, though probably not rapid or dramatic weight loss.

I'll probably push/pull in the unsanctioned Monster Bench & Deadlift meet. I won't cut for an unsanctioned push/pull meet.

When it comes time to qualify for the XPC Semis 2014, I'll have to decide if I can qualify for the Semis as a 220 or if I'll have to drop to 198. If I drop to 198, I'll have to see if I'm able to do it another time (or two, if I qualify for the finals, though that's a stretch).

This is why we should always put the total first, put this meet first, put the next training day first. It's good to have some lofty long-term goals, but I can't overlook what's right in front of me. I'm a powerlifter. My #1 goal is to lift the most weight within the parameters of the rules, not make a weight class or look good in my singlet, or become the most mobile guy at the comp. Everything I do must first serve the purpose of lifting more weight. At some point, losing weight very well could improve my total, and that's when losing weight will become priority #2.

Kinda got tangential there . . .
 
For a meathead, you have a way with words, my man. ;) You're on point.
 
Sounds good brother. I hear ya sbout the weight. After December I won't care about weight until summer, and then see where I'm at. How often do you consider losing a little weight?
 
I agree with your assumption. As aesthetics are not a primary goal we eat leniently in comparison to other sports. The main rule is usually "a lot." Just by cleaning up diet and being strict we would likely loose some body fat; lose weight.

I am eating until I feel disgusting or just not getting anything out of it and then going cleaner myself.
 
smoker145 said:
How often do you consider losing a little weight?
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When I can't tie my shoes, when I look like a fat fukk instead of a guy who lifts weights, or to make weight. Those are the only three I've ever followed in my life. The tying my shoes rule is new, it had to be added in March.
 
rob112 said:
I agree with your assumption. As aesthetics are not a primary goal we eat leniently in comparison to other sports. The main rule is usually "a lot." Just by cleaning up diet and being strict we would likely loose some body fat; lose weight.

I am eating until I feel disgusting or just not getting anything out of it and then going cleaner myself.
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I think also we sometimes forget that performance WILL be improved when the source of our calories improves! Because it's important to get the required calories, but extremely difficult to do so in a clean fashion. This is another situation similar to what I often say about bench pressing, where we have to borrow a page from the dilligence of bodybuilders to move forward as powerlifters.
 
herderdude said:
I think also we sometimes forget that performance WILL be improved when the source of our calories improves! Because it's important to get the required calories, but extremely difficult to do so in a clean fashion. This is another situation similar to what I often say about bench pressing, where we have to borrow a page from the dilligence of bodybuilders to move forward as powerlifters.
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Which is why I primarily eat whole, unprocessed foods. Although, recently I've eaten more junk than I would prefer to.
 
This is refreshing to hear from a PLer. Sorry, I suppose I am repeating myself. I really like your style, Herderdude. Plus you remind me of my favorite canned salsa, Herdez, lol. Sage stuff here, for anyone who lifts.
 
jimbuick said:
Which is why I primarily eat whole, unprocessed foods. Although, recently I've eaten more junk than I would prefer to.
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You're much better at getting real food than I am, I'm just glad I brought you over to the dark side of 200. :D

And yes, two to four weeks is close enough, I'm calling it already.
 
I watched a mendy vid and he said the worst thing is all the eating required for him. He says something like " if I lose a few lbs then my equipment doesn't fit right, etc".
 
smoker145 said:
I watched a mendy vid and he said the worst thing is all the eating required for him. He says something like " if I lose a few lbs then my equipment doesn't fit right, etc".
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From Power Unlimited. In the case of an equipped powerlifter testing the absolute limits, weight management is even more important. Too heavy, you're not going to hit depth or get a touch. Too light, no support.

In his case, missing a meal and losing 5lbs from missing a meal could easily lead to a half ton crashing into his ribcage unabated. It happened to Gene Rychlak at the 2005 Olympia. He got a little ill from traveling, lost a little weight, bang, crushed him like a bug.
 
herderdude said:
From Power Unlimited. In the case of an equipped powerlifter testing the absolute limits, weight management is even more important. Too heavy, you're not going to hit depth or get a touch. Too light, no support.

In his case, missing a meal and losing 5lbs from missing a meal could easily lead to a half ton crashing into his ribcage unabated. It happened to Gene Rychlak at the 2005 Olympia. He got a little ill from traveling, lost a little weight, bang, crushed him like a bug.
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Never thought of it like that.
 
What Sean said! Nah, no injuries, he's a tough guy. Sean1332, what did you think seeing him up close and personal? What didja think about that hair?
 
herderdude said:
What Sean said! Nah, no injuries, he's a tough guy. Sean1332, what did you think seeing him up close and personal? What didja think about that hair?
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He looks like he's from the Midwest like us lol

He looked pretty beat. It the 3rd day of the meet. I went up to him and said thanks for putting an awesome meet together and he initiated a handshake. He's the epitome of "the fat powerlifter" Short, round, and stalky. His hair was nuts. My dad thought that everyone there had beards because the Red Sox grew them, or PLers are "biker guys"
 
Sean1332 said:
He looks like he's from the Midwest like us lol

He looked pretty beat. It the 3rd day of the meet. I went up to him and said thanks for putting an awesome meet together and he initiated a handshake. He's the epitome of "the fat powerlifter" Short, round, and stalky. His hair was nuts. My dad thought that everyone there had beards because the Red Sox grew them, or PLers are "biker guys"
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Hahahaha. In fairness to your dad, the biker/bald/beard is idealized and perpetuated by SO MANY of us. Gene definitely seemed like a tubby one. But once I found out he squatted big weight and wasn't only a equipped bench kinda guy, I had to give him respect. Also gotta give him a lot of respect for what he's doing with RPS.

I could only imagine what he went through being meet director for three days in a row. Could you imagine touring around the country judging and running powerlifting meets? I mean, God. I love powerlifting, but not as much as he does. I'd get sick of that dog and pony show.
 
Week 7 Rep Bench

315x3x5 PR for repeating the effort!

Pin Press
315x2
335x1

Lilly Pause
295x5,4

JM Press
185x6x2
135x8 (this was almost a skullcrusher)

Pull ups
5x5

Lat Pulldown

High Pulley Row

Facepull

Delt Raises

Don't forget curls

Everything felt freaking feather light today! Can't explain it. Well, it's easily explained, but hard to believe.

I really have to thank you guys for the discussion about pausing on benches. I'm pausing more and more often and I'm downright comfy on my chest these days.

Decided to stick to the schedule and not push anything, so that I can come into the meet feeling fantastic.

It's like Captain Kirk said, all I have to do to is not fukk up for thirty seconds, and I'll have a new bench PR in 3.85 weeks.
 
Videos!

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Thanks guys. They were pretty easy, except for #4 and #5 of set 3. I should have tried to be more explosive today, but I REALLY wanted three sets of five. So bad I could taste it.
 
Anybody want to bench press more in their next meet than they did in their last meet? Here's a good article to get you started:

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That's a great read herder. I agree that most guys bench too wide. At worlds I can only remember a couple raw guys that benched narrowish grip. It's so much easier on the shoulders too...
 
napalm said:
That's a great read herder. I agree that most guys bench too wide. At worlds I can only remember a couple raw guys that benched narrowish grip. It's so much easier on the shoulders too...
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A narrower grip?
 
I bench relatively narrow for those reasons; less shoulder pressure & pain.

That, and I'm really weak wide. :emb:
 
smoker145 said:
I was under the impression it was more shoulder rotation
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Regardless of the science mumbo jumbo, all you have to do is take your 1RM with a close grip and then take it with your pointers on the power rings and ask yourself "Which one made my shoulders feel like ass?"

I have had to ask this question on many occasions. It wasn't long ago that I would have to take an impromptu skip day one or two bench sessions a month because I would get crushed by one of my warmups. Then I moved my hands in.
 
Swanson52 said:
I bench relatively narrow for those reasons; less shoulder pressure & pain.

That, and I'm really weak wide. :emb:
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Sounds like somebody's gotta start doing sets of 10 with a wide grip, a la Louie! ;)
 
Here's my video for the day. Sorry for the language, I was pissed off about the previous sets and some other sets. I promise I was having an excellent day until I started squatting.

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Form was average at best, which is miles ahead of the rest of the sets. If I feel like it, I'll upload my two beltless PR singles. 425 looks like I was squatting on a ****ing Swiss ball, 435 looks much better.
 
herderdude said:
Regardless of the science mumbo jumbo, all you have to do is take your 1RM with a close grip and then take it with your pointers on the power rings and ask yourself "Which one made my shoulders feel like ass?"

I have had to ask this question on many occasions. It wasn't long ago that I would have to take an impromptu skip day one or two bench sessions a month because I would get crushed by one of my warmups. Then I moved my hands in.
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True. I like close grip Bc it hurts a lot less if at all. But Dave Tate talks abit about it in so you think you can bench, and he advocates a wider grip. At least that's what I got from him talking about the more shoulder rotation on narrow and comparing to wider.
 
smoker145 said:
True. I like close grip Bc it hurts a lot less if at all. But Dave Tate talks abit about it in so you think you can bench, and he advocates a wider grip. At least that's what I got from him talking about the more shoulder rotation on narrow and comparing to wider.
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Dave Tate was an equipped powerlifter and his form cues are for equipped powerlifters. Multi-ply to be specific. You can put your hands wherever you want with a bench press shirt and your shoulders won't hurt. Equipped powerlifting birthed an innumerable amount of incorrect cues for raw lifters/general population.
 
Lol I love it.

Good set homey, like Sean said, tiny wink but damn you hit fast ass reps. Easy money.
 
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