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13 Month Transformation (w/ serious dedication)

thanks guys!

i've been cutting some weight...cut back the calories, lost a good bit of strength but i'm still growing/loosing fat.

Down to 180lbs solid.

Starting a P-Plex/Epistane Bridge on January 6th!!! Stay tuned...this 3 week cut should give me a major shock when it comes to bulking again. Aiming for 195lbs.
 
No offense, but if you did something behind her back, she has all the reasons in the world to dump you. If your relationship is based on deceit and lying, it's pointless. If you're not honest to your other person, yes, your relationship isn't solid and it's not really the other person's fault.

No offense taken.

However, not experiencing unnecessary legal trouble, not experiencing having the stigma of 'steroid user' over your head for the foreseeable future, and not having your compounds seized by far and away overcome any misplaced sense of duty to a semi-permanent, non-maritally committed relationship.

And to suggest that acting in self-interest in exceptional circumstances necessarily equates to 'having a relationship based on deceit' is a tad dramatic, and dare I say The View-esque!
 
awesome. Have you ever thought about running an AI like formestane while using something such as activate extreme or stoked? I would recommend checking that out before touching another designer cycle.
 
awesome. Have you ever thought about running an AI like formestane while using something such as activate extreme or stoked? I would recommend checking that out before touching another designer cycle.


Only designers ever have been Epi and only twice.

Last cycle was only 21 days at 30/30/40...it was too dry and killed my elbow and I had to quit.

I plan to start P-Plex on January 7. This will be 85 days since last cycle. According to the time on/pct/timeon+pct this is more than enough....what do you guys think?

I do not want to touch an AI if I don't have too....only in PCT...kills my elbow cartlidge problem.

You guys think its too excessive to run p-plex after 2 cycle of havoc?

Libido is high, nuts are full, strength is increasing...should I get a blood test this week?

1st Havoc 5 weeks - April
2nd Havoc 3 weeks - September
3rd Upcoming P-Plex - January 09
 
Only designers ever have been Epi and only twice.

Last cycle was only 21 days at 30/30/40...it was too dry and killed my elbow and I had to quit.

I plan to start P-Plex on January 7. This will be 85 days since last cycle. According to the time on/pct/timeon+pct this is more than enough....what do you guys think?

I do not want to touch an AI if I don't have too....only in PCT...kills my elbow cartlidge problem.

You guys think its too excessive to run p-plex after 2 cycle of havoc?

Libido is high, nuts are full, strength is increasing...should I get a blood test this week?

1st Havoc 5 weeks - April
2nd Havoc 3 weeks - September
3rd Upcoming P-Plex - January 09

I have an elbow problem its burstisis and some other stuff. I suggest you do that rather than cycle at a young age although you already have. You can adjust the AI to where you wont have dry joints. That is a sign of reading your body. Also have you every looked into Cissus, MSM, or chondritin? I would look into those for joint support with a good AI such as form or 6oxo and then a natural test booster versus running a steroid cycle.
 
im on liquid glucosamine, chondroit, msm, cissus, and haulyronic acid. And 8 grams of fish oil per day. I do this everyday.

I believe that running steroids while Im young is safer than running when I'm older as my hpta more resilient. My growth plates have fused already completely according to MRI's and numerous x-rays.

I definitely understand your concern. I do have many years ahead of me and theres really no reason besides personal satisfaction to running steroids now.

But if my test levels are fine, liver values check out...I don't see the harm.

Its not as if I'm running 12 week cycles of test enanthate and deca with severe stress on hpta.

I've run 2 small epi cycles....a total of 8 weeks of a mild methyl steroid. I really want a taste of something a little more serious.


Your comments are definitely welcome however....is your concern about my age or my frequency between cycles?



Im just very itching as I have:
Toremifene
Reversitol
Hawthorne
Milk Thistle
P-Plex
 
im on liquid glucosamine, chondroit, msm, cissus, and haulyronic acid. And 8 grams of fish oil per day. I do this everyday.

I believe that running steroids while Im young is safer than running when I'm older as my hpta more resilient. My growth plates have fused already completely according to MRI's and numerous x-rays.

I definitely understand your concern. I do have many years ahead of me and theres really no reason besides personal satisfaction to running steroids now.

But if my test levels are fine, liver values check out...I don't see the harm.

Its not as if I'm running 12 week cycles of test enanthate and deca with severe stress on hpta.

I've run 2 small epi cycles.
right but AAS at least have some studies done on them that Designers dont. You know? I mean It's all cool...do what you want. I have plenty of friend who run stuff, but just know their are possible other problems unbenounced to us. I just make as good of gains on Natural test boosters and an AI as some kids our age on designers. Good Luck though I have read your previous posts and know what you're doing in an attempt to prevent further problems. How long have you had your elbow issue? It might be from growing to quick from the designers...

My concern is mainly age and just hidden consequences. I am the same age as you 19. I have made it as far as you naturally. from 140-180 Lbs since February just from dieting, training, and sleeping properly with the addition of decent supplementation.
 
right but AAS at least have some studies done on them that Designers dont. You know? I mean It's all cool...do what you want. I have plenty of friend who run stuff, but just know their are possible other problems unbenounced to us. I just make as good of gains on Natural test boosters and an AI as some kids our age on designers. Good Luck though I have read your previous posts and know what you're doing in an attempt to prevent further problems. How long have you had your elbow issue? It might be from growing to quick from the designers...

My concern is mainly age and just hidden consequences. I am the same age as you 19. I have made it as far as you naturally. from 140-180 Lbs since February just from dieting, training, and sleeping properly with the addition of decent supplementation.




Well I greatly appreciate your concerns.

I've had my elbow issue since I was 4. I fell and broke my elbow in half and had pins set/cast. Its always bothered me in certain angles of pressing. MRI/CT-Scan showed I have a hole in part of the bone that never fused and will never fused. I also have rough cartlidge that causes the pain which leads to edmea (swelling) inside the joint.

MSM, Chondr, Gluc, Cissus, Fish, Haulyronic = do not take away pain at all by any means. However, they prevent the elbow joint from the swelling/tightness/stiffness reaction to the cartlidge problem.

Havoc really irritated my elbow. I want to run something wet now. I've layed out all the possible sides that I know of.

Pheraplex Sides:
Prolactin Issues - I have Vitex, B6, and 1-Carboxy (Powerfull)
Estrogen Issues - I have already tested Toremifene on myself and it should work well for libido and blocking receptors/restarting hpta
Estrogen Rebound or On-Cycle Aromatase - I have Reversitol containing ATD and 6bromo for PCT or Cycle.

This should cover all possible gyno issues. The cycle should also be great on the elbow joint because of the aldosterone wetness.



I've gained a total of at least 35lbs in the last year. I gained 12 from first cycle and virtually nothing from the second. So I've pretty much done 25lbs all naturally during pct's or time off.

If you haven't tried a designer...its addicting as f*ck man...I literally explode like a nuclear bomb on something as small as epistane. My gains on epi were equivalent to most peoples gains on superdrol. This is why I just want a small taste or pplex. I wish I never started this stuff :lol:


My main concern is if theres an overall decline in natural test levels when fully recovered with designer use...this is why I should have a blood test.



Major props to 40lbs since feb. Thats rediculous! Way more than me. It can't be all muscle tho?
 
Well I greatly appreciate your concerns.

I've had my elbow issue since I was 4. I fell and broke my elbow in half and had pins set/cast. Its always bothered me in certain angles of pressing. MRI/CT-Scan showed I have a hole in part of the bone that never fused and will never fused. I also have rough cartlidge that causes the pain which leads to edmea (swelling) inside the joint.

MSM, Chondr, Gluc, Cissus, Fish, Haulyronic = do not take away pain at all by any means. However, they prevent the elbow joint from the swelling/tightness/stiffness reaction to the cartlidge problem.

Havoc really irritated my elbow. I want to run something wet now. I've layed out all the possible sides that I know of.

Pheraplex Sides:
Prolactin Issues - I have Vitex, B6, and 1-Carboxy (Powerfull)
Estrogen Issues - I have already tested Toremifene on myself and it should work well for libido and blocking receptors/restarting hpta
Estrogen Rebound or On-Cycle Aromatase - I have Reversitol containing ATD and 6bromo for PCT or Cycle.

This should cover all possible gyno issues. The cycle should also be great on the elbow joint because of the aldosterone wetness.



I've gained a total of at least 35lbs in the last year. I gained 12 from first cycle and virtually nothing from the second. So I've pretty much done 25lbs all naturally during pct's or time off.

If you haven't tried a designer...its addicting as f*ck man...I literally explode like a nuclear bomb on something as small as epistane. My gains on epi were equivalent to most peoples gains on superdrol. This is why I just want a small taste or pplex. I wish I never started this stuff :lol:


My main concern is if theres an overall decline in natural test levels when fully recovered with designer use...this is why I should have a blood test.



Major props to 40lbs since feb. Thats rediculous! Way more than me. It can't be all muscle tho?

I got up to around 12% BF but now am back down today at 176 at 9% or lower. I have extreme genetics what can I say :D. My dad was a body builder in his hay day and still is at 50 years old. My mom is extremely petite and a possibly figure competitor. It just runs in my family blood. We all respond great to virtually any minor tweak. Yeah so here is my question...what makes you want Phera plex versus a 19-nor or estra product?
 
pheraplex isnt as strong as a progestin as 19nor and doesn't have the sexual side effects. I like the wetness...19nor isnt wet.

pheraplex also wet because of aldosterone, NOT estrogen. So my joints will feel good but not from aromitization.

It has less side effects than superdrol...its quite as hard on HPTA. Some say they feel less shutdown that havoc cycles.

I dont want to mess with tren because Im way to afraid of prolactin gyno and I dont want to have to run Cabergoline.



How tall are you, this makes a HUGE difference.
 
pheraplex isnt as strong as a progestin as 19nor and doesn't have the sexual side effects. I like the wetness...19nor isnt wet.

pheraplex also wet because of aldosterone, NOT estrogen. So my joints will feel good but not from aromitization.

It has less side effects than superdrol...its quite as hard on HPTA. Some say they feel less shutdown that havoc cycles.

I dont want to mess with tren because Im way to afraid of prolactin gyno and I dont want to have to run Cabergoline.



How tall are you, this makes a HUGE difference.
you same height. 5'7-5'8
 
Open question: Does anyone think that it is possible to get as huge as ronnie coleman or jay cutler without using pins and needles? I hear a lot of them say they are natural, but I seriously doubt that kind of gains can be achieved without roids. Then again, I could be wrong, and I don't mind being proven wrong.
 
entirely possible...but completely not possible to have low bodyfat percentage with ripped muscles at the size.

World strong man guys are just as big and probably stronger but they are all thick...theres no way you can be that big and strong with low bf unless you are using steroids to perserve muscle.
 
dam monsterbox

i totally missed those pics till today


GREAT F****ing job bro-- what a change

keep it up man

the best progress pics I have seen on this site---- clear pics and RESULTS


boo
 
Great job man!

I'm actually going to start up a Havoc cycle I believe. I've been off of Halodrol for a week now and I didn't see the results I wanted. Buying 2 bottles of Havoc tomorrow. Looking for suggestions of a stack and PCT. With the Havoc I'm going to be taking fish oil and an ISO MASS Extreme Gainer shake after workouts. I'm pretty new to this but have been going to the gym for 8 months now, 4-6 times per week. Took Halodrol for 6 weeks(2 boxes). I've actually been reading thru this forums for a few months now, just started posting today.

November stats
6ft
200lbs
max bench=205
inclined dumbell press= 65

January stats
6ft(obviously)
210lbs
max bench=245
inclinded dumbell press= 90(in my avatar I did 3 sets of 12, haven't tried 100's yet)
 
Great job man!

I'm actually going to start up a Havoc cycle I believe. I've been off of Halodrol for a week now and I didn't see the results I wanted. Buying 2 bottles of Havoc tomorrow. Looking for suggestions of a stack and PCT. With the Havoc I'm going to be taking fish oil and an ISO MASS Extreme Gainer shake after workouts. I'm pretty new to this but have been going to the gym for 8 months now, 4-6 times per week. Took Halodrol for 6 weeks(2 boxes). I've actually been reading thru this forums for a few months now, just started posting today.

November stats
6ft
200lbs
max bench=205
inclined dumbell press= 65

January stats
6ft(obviously)
210lbs
max bench=245
inclinded dumbell press= 90(in my avatar I did 3 sets of 12, haven't tried 100's yet)

2 boxes of halodrol liquid gels or true halodrol-50? completely different things bro.
 
2 boxes of halodrol liquid gels or true halodrol-50? completely different things bro.

Yes, I know. Thats why I said Halodrol and not Halodrol-50.

I haven't gotten into anything ridiculously altering. I want something where I'll see some solid gains, so now I'm here looking for advice.

Thanks.
 
monsterbox....how do u look today?

bigger leaner and better lol

I dropped from 185-6 down to 180 a month ago. I was actually above 10% BF...probably around 13. I'm now down to 11-12.5% according to 3pt crappy caliper test. However, I have some new terrible stretch marks on my biceps, this tells me I've grown some muscle while dropping weight.

I also just started a cycle of m-drol 3 days ago!
 
Open question: Does anyone think that it is possible to get as huge as ronnie coleman or jay cutler without using pins and needles? I hear a lot of them say they are natural, but I seriously doubt that kind of gains can be achieved without roids. Then again, I could be wrong, and I don't mind being proven wrong.
lol who would say that they are natural?
 
Open question: Does anyone think that it is possible to get as huge as ronnie coleman or jay cutler without using pins and needles? I hear a lot of them say they are natural, but I seriously doubt that kind of gains can be achieved without roids. Then again, I could be wrong, and I don't mind being proven wrong.

Ya man, I don't know about all that... There's an article in Muscular Development, the March edition, comparing Steroid cycles of the 70's and Present day Bodybuilder's cycles...

Well they didn't really call them cycles, they were more of all year round pinning sessions, using test e, c, and EOD year round, along with other designers low dosed, (Halotestin, parabolin, trenbolone etc...) using hCG all year round so keep their testes from disappearing, Arimidex/ Femera year round, finestride year round, local inflammatory agents into muscles right before contests, year-round GH, insulin, and Humatrope, clen, winstrol-v, low dose deca. And a bunch more that I forget! Its an insane trend that most bodybuilders have to do because of endorsment/advertising deals/ contests/ conventions/ media exposure, all year round! They have to stay perfect all the time!

This is from a very respected magazine that in the same addition Patrick Arnold does his usual excerpt, this one actually talked all about PH's! great magizine for the price, and very informative...


All in all, bodybuilders can not claim to be natural at the level of Ronnie and Jay C... It's physically impossible to get the body that big! Would be nice if we could though...

Questions/comments, hit it up...



MM
 
well looks like I"m going to be stopping steroids for a LONG time.

Got a blood test our of curiosity....(3 wks of phera and 8 days of M-Drol)

ALT - 500's
AST - 200's

I really don't know what to do. I keep getting sick when I try to eat large meals. I took milk thistle and liv52. I need to PCT but I have toremifene and its bad for your liver too.
 
wow man, thats definitely not good, it's pretty high. Your body should start to regulate them on it's own slowly, but definitely keep taking the milk thistle and the liv supps, also watch your cholesterol vales too, as this may clot your blood up and slow perfusion to your liver... Also, you really have to watch your sodium and potassium levels, don't make them too extreme... Also drink a ton of water... All I really know to help man... Do some research. Hope this helps.
 
well looks like I"m going to be stopping steroids for a LONG time.

Got a blood test our of curiosity....(3 wks of phera and 8 days of M-Drol)

ALT - 500's
AST - 200's

I really don't know what to do. I keep getting sick when I try to eat large meals. I took milk thistle and liv52. I need to PCT but I have toremifene and its bad for your liver too.

Definitely an impressive transformation! Great job and dedication!

Sorry to hear about the test results though. There are some incredibly knowledgeable people on this forum to help you out; just ask. Hope everything works out for you and stay safe.

Regards,
 
well looks like I"m going to be stopping steroids for a LONG time.

Got a blood test our of curiosity....(3 wks of phera and 8 days of M-Drol)

ALT - 500's
AST - 200's

I really don't know what to do. I keep getting sick when I try to eat large meals. I took milk thistle and liv52. I need to PCT but I have toremifene and its bad for your liver too.

So you've been lifting what 15-16 months now, and already have 2 Havoc cycle's, 1 Mdrol cycle, and 1 PP cycle under your belt!?!?

I think I know the answer to your bolded question! Of course you probably knew the answer long ago - Designers are great...IF YOU USE THEM RESPONSIBLY!!!

I knew a bunch of kids in high school that got a hold of the original superdrol and just started popping pills, of course everyone wanted better result than the next guy and one kid ended up in the hospital getting his stomach pumped, and the entire football team ended up getting tested.

I hate to say it but I understand why the government try's so hard to ban AAS/PH/PS - They're perfectly safe when used responsibly, but when does that ever happen?
 
good progess dude. your test/oral cycle will be your best ever , ill tell you that right now. id say kickstart, but maybe ditch the havoc and run h-drol. i know some hard juicers who swear by h-drol for a good kickstarter. but either or your gonna love it. if you eat to grow i wouldnt be surprised if you push 200 lbs
 
good progess dude. your test/oral cycle will be your best ever , ill tell you that right now. id say kickstart, but maybe ditch the havoc and run h-drol. i know some hard juicers who swear by h-drol for a good kickstarter. but either or your gonna love it. if you eat to grow i wouldnt be surprised if you push 200 lbs
I love Hdrol
 
went through a major downfall after playing with PP and SD by CEL. Faced extremely high liver values and terribly, I mean god-aweful anxiety/depression coming off. Gained absolutely no weight at all, infact I dropped from 184 down to 175 from the stress and catching the flu during PCT.

Still trying to get my sh*t together. My anxiety has subsided and I"m finally off xanax and sleep meds. Something in that SD or PP messed up me up really bad for the first time in my life.

However, I dare to say I look better than ever in a weird way. I Lost mostly fat and maybe a tad of muscle in my shoulder as my shoulder strength is down, but everything else is stronger. I'm up to repping 95's flat DB now and 45lb weighed dips/pullups. Will post some pictures soon once I feel i'm back on track.

Going to stay away from the hormones for a good while and take the natural track. Although natural is slow and boring, there is a few pluses, you feel great all the time and keep 100% every bit of muscle you earn.
 
Lookin huge man! I saw your post on wanting to run a cycle and I would actually advise against it. Not cuz of any of the sides but do to the fact you look very proportionate for your height. Unless you are trying to go for the competitive look? Either way good job
 
well my life goal is to weigh 200lbs. I'm already at 180lbs at 5' 8'' 10% BF. My arms are around 16inches. Id like to get stronger/bigger but I'm going to finish out these last 20lbs naturally. I'm guessing it should take me about 1.5-2yrs on my own. Going to be trying out Green Magnitude (creatine) and Anabolic Pump for now.
 
that sucks man... i had that same thing happen to me after running trenedrol stacked with havoc. I literally could not ride in a car without having a panic attack and even made a trip to the ER thinking i was having a heart attack
 
that sucks man... i had that same thing happen to me after running trenedrol stacked with havoc. I literally could not ride in a car without having a panic attack and even made a trip to the ER thinking i was having a heart attack

yea bro I feel you and then everyone says you are nuts and you have mental issues. Its really the juice that messes with your system.
 
Gotta say man what you have accomplished is very impressive, very inspirational. You Def set the bar high at 44 lbs your first year.
 
Amazing results man... its pretty inspiring. BTW, I can't help but laugh at your facial exression on the may 08 pic. you look pretty dang serious there haha.
 
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