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11 oxo solo run

rowz4broz

rowz4broz

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11 oxo seems like the perfect PH to get my my feet wet. Minimally suppressive and good for cutting some weight.

Anyone here have an experience with 11 oxo?

I’ve searched for bloodwork on this board but can’t find any
 
Extremely mild. I haven't ran it solo but I have ran it. If you're looking for something with little or no suppression then 11-oxo is a good place to look. Personally, I wouldn't even run PCT (definitely not a SERM) as your test levels may actually be higher after 11-oxo. A lot of people say it's suppressive but I don't believe it is at recommended dosages. It actually used to be included in some PCT products. I'll probably get some heat for this but I don't care.
 
rowz4broz said:
FYI I plan on running it at 600-900

I DID plan on using a serm

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The only way you'll know if you need a SERM is if you get bloodwork. It won't hurt to have a SERM on hand, but I'm just not convinced you will need it. 900mgs is definitely on the higher end and depending on how long you run it you might get suppressed, but like I said, I'm not convinced you will. If you were to use a SERM you could probably get away with something like clomid at 12.5mgs.
 
210LBS said:
Extremely mild. I haven't ran it solo but I have ran it. If you're looking for something with little or no suppression then 11-oxo is a good place to look. Personally, I wouldn't even run PCT (definitely not a SERM) as your test levels may actually be higher after 11-oxo. A lot of people say it's suppressive but I don't believe it is at recommended dosages. It actually used to be included in some PCT products. I'll probably get some heat for this but I don't care.
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can you point me in the direction of where i can find some info regarding this :)
 
rowz4broz said:
can you point me in the direction of where i can find some info regarding this :)
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Too much cortisol can suppress test, which is why some people have used 11-oxo in PCT. Everyone told Skeptik not to run 11-KT without a SERM. I told him to go ahead with it without the SERM because to me, I don't see why you would need one. He ran it and posted his bloodwork on here and his test actually increased after the cycle.
 
This cycle including pct is going cost about 300.

I have no problem spending that for some gains and little to no suppression

I’m going to pm you about the 11kt
 
Ive ran it as high as 1.5 grams. Great recomp effects running on maintenance diet or light deficit. Higher you go it becomes more anabolic. Some run it to run a bridge between a hard cycle and PCT with success.

I would run a serm in pct and take the guess work out of it if you cant get blood. Thats just my opinion, but I would never skimp out on PCT on high dosed 11-oxo. 600mg, maybe a natty test booster at most, at that dose it should be more of a cortisol product.

Its really expensive to run a high dose cycle for 6 weeks, I wouldnt do it if money is a concern, if it isnt that Id go for it.
 
KOSTASKARAS said:
My brother use 11oxo last year and he did not see anything.
He was his first cycle and he was very disappointed.
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Im not claiming your brother took bunk product, but quality and source are extremely important factor. There are other factors, many cycle newbs dont take the proper advantage of a cycle but I dunno thats another long topic for another day, lol.
 
ax1 said:
Ive ran it as high as 1.5 grams. Great recomp effects running on maintenance diet or light deficit. Higher you go it becomes more anabolic. Some run it to run a bridge between a hard cycle and PCT with success.

I would run a serm in pct and take the guess work out of it if you cant get blood. Thats just my opinion, but I would never skimp out on PCT on high dosed 11-oxo. 600mg, maybe a natty test booster at most, at that dose it should be more of a cortisol product.

Its really expensive to run a high dose cycle for 6 weeks, I wouldnt do it if money is a concern, if it isnt that Id go for it.
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Beyond awesome to hear.
Goal is to run it 600/600/600/900/900/900

Pct will be torem.

Probably going to finalize and put my order in sometime tonight
 
rowz4broz said:
Probably also add in some reduce xt in pct for any chance of rebound cort
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If you can add trans-dermal 11-keto on top of the oral 11-oxo that would be awesome. Just an idea to max out the cycle as much as possible to the anabolic level more cost efficiently. Ive ran both myself in that manner, but I do hate trans-dermal applications.
 
2kvette was talking about bringing 17amethyl-11keto-dihydrotestosterone to the market. Im not sure if he ever did or not, but im sure that would be pretty potent.
 
ax1 said:
If you can add trans-dermal 11-keto on top of the oral 11-oxo that would be awesome. Just an idea to max out the cycle as much as possible to the anabolic level more cost efficiently. Ive ran both myself in that manner, but I do hate trans-dermal applications.
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okay before i make any purchases then. say i were able to get my hands on some TD 11KT how would you run that?
 
rowz4broz said:
how would this differ from 11 oxo. excuse my lack of knowledge. anabolics is not my strong point
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Probably would be similar but stronger, it MAY have anti estrogenic properties(not necessarily though), and its oral bioavailability would go way up. Its untested, so its a crap shoot on how it would turn out. However, you can get an idea based off other hormanes with similar structures.
 
rowz4broz said:
okay before i make any purchases then. say i were able to get my hands on some TD 11KT how would you run that?
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Just my opinion, I would just run the regular dose as stated on the label at minimum on top of the cycle you laid out all the way through. If you get lets say a 1 month supply run it the final 4 week back-end of the cycle.

These mild products are flexible, you may here different opinions from different people.

Here is some info on transdermal 11-keto....they dont sell it anymore but has some good starter info.
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Just remember, the higher you go the more likely some mild androgenic sides come along. It will vary by person but its something to be aware of.
 
They do sell icon 11 kt transdermal still. Just google it. Its active compound that 11 oxo converts to. It doesnt effect estrogen what so ever. I would run 11 kt at 2 ml a day. For 6 weeks cycle that requires 3 bottles at that dosage.i ran it had some mild strength gainx 3 lbs gainz in body weight. Lost 1 inch off waist and I didn't change diet.
 
dvw said:
Get 11 ketotestosterone instead. Its better in every way.
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It's almost impossible to find any 11 Keto today.
The raw prices has went through the roof,
unfortunately
Maybe there's still chances to get the hands on OL's 11KT in some shop's.
 
niklasericson said:
It's almost impossible to find any 11 Keto today.
The raw prices has went through the roof,
unfortunately
Maybe there's still chances to get the hands on OL's 11KT in some shop's.
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I wonder why its so expensive? Such a legendary product that never really hit the regulatory radars.
 
There is a brand still making/selling 11-kt. Decent but not great price and ok dosing. I would like it and tell you guys. But they used to be a board sponsors here and things apparently went south between them and AM administrators. So I don't want to break the rules, but I'll give you a hint. They are the only company that I know that sells 3-ad.
 
rtmilburn said:
2kvette was talking about bringing 17amethyl-11keto-dihydrotestosterone to the market. Im not sure if he ever did or not, but im sure that would be pretty potent.
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That is waiting on a respirator and nitrogen atmosphere and cannula system to run the grignard in. These are not cheap items and they must be in place d/t permanent damage the methyl halides used in the process can have on the central nervous system. And for the record I was not the one bringing it out. I get no money or anything; I just share my knowledge with others who do have businesses in these areas for the benefit of everyone in our community interested in these items.
 
rtmilburn said:
There is a brand still making/selling 11-kt. Decent but not great price and ok dosing. I would like it and tell you guys. But they used to be a board sponsors here and things apparently went south between them and AM administrators. So I don't want to break the rules, but I'll give you a hint. They are the only company that I know that sells 3-ad.
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They (no names, lol) have oral 11-keto rather than 11-oxo. I always wondered why they did that, I swore when Patrick made 11-Spray that he mentioned 11-keto isnt good oral, but that was a long time ago and impossible for me to find again since that board was wiped.
 
ax1 said:
They (no names, lol) have oral 11-keto rather than 11-oxo. I always wondered why they did that, I swore when Patrick made 11-Spray that he mentioned 11-keto isnt good oral, but that was a long time ago and impossible for me to find again since that board was wiped.
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Ya i was thinking the same. They used to also have 11-kt spray as well but they discontinued it.
 
rowz4broz said:
Dad was bald and I heard anavar wreaks havoc on hairline.

I’ll look into it though.
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Keep in mind higher dosed 11-oxo can hurt the hairline as well. Its usually not a big concern as its mild but I just want to make sure you know. No way close to anavar though.
 
ax1 said:
Keep in mind higher dosed 11-oxo can hurt the hairline as well. Its usually not a big concern as its mild but I just want to make sure you know. No way close to anavar though.
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I didn’t think 11 oxo had any sort of conversion to dht
 
Well it’s game time. I decided to buy 3 bottles of 11 oxo.

So I think I can run it 600/600/600/900/900/900/900

Thinking about buying a dht blocking shampoo for the sake of my hair.

Pct will be torem. There is a thread on this board saying SERM on cycle can stimulate LH.

Currently running Ralox for an anti Gyno protocol and have exem on hand as well. I’m wondering if running the 11oxo while on ralox will keep suppression to a further minimum (I understand ralox is not great at hpta restart which is why I have torem)

I MAY BE COMPLETELY OVERDOING THIS.

But like I said suppression has always scared the **** out of me from cycling lol that is why 11 oxo excited me initially.


Any feedback from your guys would be appreciated
 
I hope you see gains, esp since you spent an arm and leg on it. The surpressiveness of PHs can be largely negated by running something simple like dermacrine. If you are this invested so far, I would really add another compound if I were you so you can really enjoy looking in the mirror on transformation and strength gains a PH or AAS can offer. You already have a SErm man you should add something like dmz, hdrol, or epistane, its not as hardcore as you think.
 
mikeymike85 said:
I hope you see gains, esp since you spent an arm and leg on it. The surpressiveness of PHs can be largely negated by running something simple like dermacrine. If you are this invested so far, I would really add another compound if I were you so you can really enjoy looking in the mirror on transformation and strength gains a PH or AAS can offer. You already have a SErm man you should add something like dmz, hdrol, or epistane, its not as hardcore as you think.
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I’m not saying that this is not a possibility... but as this is my first cycle I’d really like to be as most mild as I can. I’ve spent quadruple this on other products and supplements so this really is not too bad.

I still need to finish up some vector before I start this so I will continually give thought to the idea of adding in a PH
 
I would double check on running SERMS on cycle, that is not a popular thing going on that Ive run into over the years. Just run it post or start a couple days before last day to build it up.
 
ax1 said:
I would double check on running SERMS on cycle, that is not a popular thing going on that Ive run into over the years. Just run it post or start a couple days before last day to build it up.
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So should I then stop the ralox? Or wait to start the cycle till I am fully content with the Gyno reversal? (Pre pubertal Gyno btw)
 
I would also like 11-sterone cycle at 300 mg just for hardening/recomp. at the same time my 8 week of vector...
The problem is that I do not know if I have to take cycle assist with this dosage...which could cause gi issue or lethargy with vector?!

someone to notice?
 
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