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Anyone used/ran it?
good to go?
ingredients seems good with 11-oxo, an AI and DHB for absorption
good to go?
ingredients seems good with 11-oxo, an AI and DHB for absorption
I would say its seriously underused for a oral 11-oxo product.
Its only 150mg total in a 3 cap serving. No idea how much 11-oxo. Probably only 75 to 100mg
You need 300 to 800mg of oral 11-oxo to be effective.
11-oxo is more effective and better absorbed transdermally.
Orally, even with DHB its going to need higher dosages.
Agreed, I believe the product will work, you will just need to dose it so high it essentially becomes unaffordable.
I remember back when I was with Ergo and we had oral 11-OXO I was dosing at 10 caps per day I believe, and only then did I truly notice some body comp changes.
-Spaz
I bought the capped version of the 11-KT from Nutra and used 2-3 bottles, and it did lean me out but for some reason noticed more on 11-OXO at high doses.i love 11oxo .. but better options out there .. i dont think its worth the price for that dosage.
aren't there bunch of co. that have 11-KT ? which is suppose to be more effective ?
Thats what they since 11-ketotestosterone is active without conversion, is incapable of aromatization, and activates the androgen receptor.So is 11-keto the next best thing to 11oxo?
After something similar to 11oxo... im not worried about the money, its a compound that is mild on suppression which is why I wanted to try it.
11-Keto is better - no enzymatic conversion needed, it is active on it's own. Also needs a lower dosage because of that. (Basically what GQdL just said )So is 11-keto the next best thing to 11oxo?
After something similar to 11oxo... im not worried about the money, its a compound that is mild on suppression which is why I wanted to try it.
what pct are you running?11-Keto is better - no enzymatic conversion needed, it is active on it's own. Also needs a lower dosage because of that. (Basically what GQdL just said )
I'm using 4ml of OL's 11-KT right now (250mg total, IIRC - applied around noon) - started March 7th.
I believe it's called "TRT".what pct are you running?
If you can still find sup3r 11 KT, definitely that.Whats the best11-kt on the market now that is reasonably priced?
Like Alan1 mentioned, I'm on TRT now - so, none. But if I wasn't, even though everybody and their brother (who could be named Patrick Arnold) says and has shown by some blood work that 11KT is minimally suppressive - I'd still do at least 4 weeks of Clomid at 25mg (and obviously, frequent blood work is best). Unless you are one of those hyper-responders who has side effects from even 25mg of Clomiphene - I see no downside to being careful after using even 11-KT. Clomid has been around since the 60's and is given to women in much higher dosages and for way longer periods of time - without problems. But that's me.what pct are you running?
Miss thatAgreed, I believe the product will work, you will just need to dose it so high it essentially becomes unaffordable.
I remember back when I was with Ergo and we had oral 11-OXO I was dosing at 10 caps per day I believe, and only then did I truly notice some body comp changes.
-Spaz
Is it?11-KT and 11-OXO orally are about the same with 11-OXO probably being better to be honest.
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