11-oxo Mid-Cycle Question

[DavidG]

I'm currently running a cycle of bulk 11-oxo...I'm about 5 weeks in and haven't seen much in the way of results. Here's the background on the cycle:

I started at 350 mg for a few days, then moved to 400mg. The second and third week I ran it at 450mg and the last week and a half I've been running it at 500mg. I'm running a cut and started by lowering my calories about 500-600 below maintenance, but didn't see anything outside of what would normally be expected. Then about two weeks ago I decided to switch from a 40/30/30 diet to the Anabolic Diet...since then I've seen some improved results, but I think they're mostly attributable to AD, and not 11-oxo.

Well, thinking that the 11-oxo wasn't working, I decided to experiment this week. I have a bulk powder 11-oxo and I had been dosing it by dropping a scoop into some gatorade and shooting it back, dosing twice per day. I decided to change it up the last few days and started capping the powder and splitting the dose up 3 times per day. Since I've started capping it I've noticed a pretty noticeable effect (still taking the same total dosage...500mg), while it's still too early to say if it's having any physical effects, for the first time I can actually "feel" the 11-oxo. I get a kind of high happy, yet calm feeling. This has me thinking that I probably haven't been absorbing the full dose in the gatorade.

Now that bring me back to my question, can I continue to run the 11-oxo in this manner up to 8 or 9 weeks? I've read that 11-oxo cycles can usually be safely run up to 9 weeks and that it isn't really suppressive (except in very high doses). I was originally only planning a six week cycle and my PCT plan was Sustain Alpha and some Testofen, but I'm thinking I wasted the first few weeks of my cycle. The difference between taking the 500mg in powder form vs in caps is night and day in terms of the way it feels. So, would it be ok to continue with the cycle for 8-9 weeks (total weeks, not in addition)? And will I still be ok with a PCT of Sustain + Testofen?

 

[chim_chim]

Your questions are all an "it depends..." equivocating type. I would personally not want to run that type of 11oxo dose for 9 weeks without a legit SERM PCT. At the very least, I would add in some DAA, as the scientific research on that is a lot better than Testofen and the hype-machine Sustain.

Research chem SERM's are so cheap and so easy to purchase that I really think you should look into that. It would probably be substantially cheaper than Sustain + Testofen, though you could run all of those concurrently.

I can't think of any reason that capping your 11oxo would make any difference, though there ARE reasons to use multiple lower doses throughout the day. 11oxo has a very low half-life, on the order of 2-3 hours according to Patrick Arnold.

 

[DavidG]

Yeah, splitting the doses up probably helps more...hard to explain, but when I cap it I tend to feel it afterwards, not really sure why.

The reason I didn't plan on taking a SERM was largely due to the fact that most info I've read up on says that 11-oxo is extremely mild, and there's some debate as to whether it's even really suppressive under 600mg/day (based on a few articles I've read, but nobody appears to have a definitive answer on this). I also haven't really noticed any shutdown or sides at all, so far anyway.

I could definitely add in some DAA, but am somewhat hesitant to take a SERM for what's supposed to be a very mild cycle (so far I'm five week in and haven't really noticed any physical changes...I had much more noticeable gains from Dermacrine/Androhard than this, both of which are also fairly mild). Anyway, that's my reasoning behind it...if I seem like I'm completely off or headed for a train wreck, definitely feel free to set me straight here.