10iu HGH a day for 12 months - need advice/help for cycle

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Hey everyone,

Im going to be running the following cycle-

-HGH 10iu [5iu morning/afternoon] 12 months
-Metformin 400mg x2 a day [to prevent insulin desensitivity] 12 months
-T4 75mcg / day [to counter decreased t3 levels via high dose hgh] 12 months

gonna run 1g test along with this for 12 weeks after the first 3 months of hgh

Just double checking everything and making sure im not gonna **** myself up by taking the metformin and t4 for too long..as far as ive read it will be safe and recovery after cycle is easy and quick. would be VERY grateful if any of you guys with experiance running high dose HGH could chip in some advice or comments. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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This is a joke right?
 

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To be fair to OP Rich Piana did 20 IU daily before. I mean he’s dead now..but he did do it
 
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A few things:
I thought Metformin came in 500mg tablets.
That said, my concern is more the 1g of Test and T4 over 12 months... did you mean 12 weeks?

The OP has one post and this is it. Are you competing? Why post the question in here? You should have a coach / doctor.
This is not a noob question you've posted which has me confused.

Next thing you'll post is:
I'm 20 years old, 150lbs, 5'8" and have been training for a year for all we know.
 

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the hgh and metformin are the 12 month cycles, the test will only be 12 weeks , starting 3 months after the hgh.

Not a joke. 10iu defintely isnt unheard of as far as ive read? lots of guys looking to compete with pros take 15iu -20iu . I know 10iu is on the max high range of normal but its not like 30iu or something completely unheard of.

the metformin will be purchased as a raw powder so i can dose it however i want, no tablets. can i maybe get a little more elaboration instead of "is this a joke?"
like thats fine you feel that way but atleast explain why you think its a bad idea so i can get some education about your concerns
 

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If pharmaceutical grade like serostim, humatrope etc.. I would think 2 or 3ius would be pently especially to avoid high blood sugars that will come along with those high doses. Are you an ifbb pro mass monster by any means?
 

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To be fair to OP Rich Piana did 20 IU daily before. I mean he’s dead now..but he did do it
Yeah i think I remember that video where he mentions along with that 20iu growth he was doing 2000mg test, and Tren and Deca around 600- 800mg each for what sounded like a year.. but who knows
 
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A few things:
I thought Metformin came in 500mg tablets.
That said, my concern is more the 1g of Test and T4 over 12 months... did you mean 12 weeks?

The OP has one post and this is it. Are you competing? Why post the question in here? You should have a coach / doctor.
This is not a noob question you've posted which has me confused.

Next thing you'll post is:
I'm 20 years old, 150lbs, 5'8" and have been training for a year for all we know.
Met can come in 400mg, but it just rare. Also t4 for 12 month is no concern imo. I actually think his dose is to low. Also agree 1g test during this is egregious.
 
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Why so much gh?
If i could i would run the same dose plus cjc and mk. The stigma around high dose is dumb imo. Take the proper precautions and youll be fine. Metformin and a glp-1 agonist, such as liraglutide, and you should be fine. Also carb cycle.
 

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If i could i would run the same dose plus cjc and mk. The stigma around high dose is dumb imo. Take the proper precautions and youll be fine. Metformin and a glp-1 agonist, such as liraglutide, and you should be fine. Also carb cycle.
can you please explain why I would need the liraglutide? I thought metformin was all that was needed to keep my insulin sensitivity normal .. what is the purpose of liraglutide as far as hgh goes? also is it absolutely needed or can I just used metformin? (checked my source he doesnt seem to carry liraglutide so it would be a pain to source)
 
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can you please explain why I would need the liraglutide? I thought metformin was all that was needed to keep my insulin sensitivity normal .. what is the purpose of liraglutide as far as hgh goes? also is it absolutely needed or can I just used metformin? (checked my source he doesnt seem to carry liraglutide so it would be a pain to source)
liraglutide is not absolutely needed. But it works GREAT for in conjunction with metformin, in lowring blood surgar and a1c. Also works through a totally different mechanism of action. If you can afford it and can get it, or other glp-1 agonist, why not?
 
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A few things:
I thought Metformin came in 500mg tablets.
That said, my concern is more the 1g of Test and T4 over 12 months... did you mean 12 weeks?

The OP has one post and this is it. Are you competing? Why post the question in here? You should have a coach / doctor.
This is not a noob question you've posted which has me confused.

Next thing you'll post is:
I'm 20 years old, 150lbs, 5'8" and have been training for a year for all we know.
Metaformin comes in 850mg too.
 
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the hgh and metformin are the 12 month cycles, the test will only be 12 weeks , starting 3 months after the hgh.

Not a joke. 10iu defintely isnt unheard of as far as ive read? lots of guys looking to compete with pros take 15iu -20iu . I know 10iu is on the max high range of normal but its not like 30iu or something completely unheard of.

the metformin will be purchased as a raw powder so i can dose it however i want, no tablets. can i maybe get a little more elaboration instead of "is this a joke?"
like thats fine you feel that way but atleast explain why you think its a bad idea so i can get some education about your concerns
Set up sounds good.
Your going to really put on muscle in the year.
Is stay on some type of GEAR the whole run.
TRT and proviron atleast
 

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If pharmaceutical grade like serostim, humatrope etc.. I would think 2 or 3ius would be pently especially to avoid high blood sugars that will come along with those high doses. Are you an ifbb pro mass monster by any means?
Agreed. I don’t get all these high gh doses. If it’s pharma that amount is more than enough. Any more than that and I think you’re just working on organ growth.
 
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my .02 dont use metformin. unless a doctor prescribes it. if you cant make progress from 12 weeks of test and 12 months of hgh you wont get **** out of metformin except some side you may not recover from.
save your money and either do 2 or 3 cycle or a blast and cruise
 

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my .02 dont use metformin. unless a doctor prescribes it. if you cant make progress from 12 weeks of test and 12 months of hgh you wont get **** out of metformin except some side you may not recover from.
save your money and either do 2 or 3 cycle or a blast and cruise
im solely using the metformin just to keep regular insulin response , not for its other benefits. can you talk more about the permanenet sides you spoke of? and isnt it a must to use something insulin related when running 10iu of hgh?? would love for you to share ur experiance if thats not the case
 
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im solely using the metformin just to keep regular insulin response , not for its other benefits. can you talk more about the permanenet sides you spoke of? and isnt it a must to use something insulin related when running 10iu of hgh?? would love for you to share ur experiance if thats not the case
Yes. At some point at a high enough dose you will need Metaformin or insulin. 10 ius may or may not require Metaformin.
But 10 ius is not obscene. Lots of people go that high. My partner is running 12 ius but only for 4 months and he's healing two injuries. After 4 months he's dropping to 4ius
 
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im solely using the metformin just to keep regular insulin response , not for its other benefits. can you talk more about the permanenet sides you spoke of? and isnt it a must to use something insulin related when running 10iu of hgh?? would love for you to share ur experiance if thats not the case
I have been using unsulin for around 15years, so I have lots and lots to add here, but I will try to keep it simple and we can go further if you want. first of all when you cycle steroids its hard on you liver and some compounds are liver toxic( you liver is busy producing sugar and filtering toxins that the main functions), metformin is shutting down you livers sugar production, this could send you hypo throughout the day. before you start messing with your insulin production and receptors you should does this first. get a blood meter and start testing yourself throughout the day and understand how you digest food and how your glucose levels spike with meals.

1) it takes about 1-2 hours to for you to digest a meal and your glucose to spike
2) what type of insulin or metformin you have and how long it is active and when it peaks
3) you want the drug to peak on its bell curve to match the absorption of your meal
thats how people end up getting in trouble they take a drug thinking its in there system and working but then and hour or 2 later it peaks and you havent eaten anything and BAM that when you go hypo, you become dizzy, short of breath week, I was so low once I lost the ability to even say help was in almost a state of a coma and barely had the energy to pull a juice up to my face and drink it
 
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also you may wanna ramp up the HGH use and see how much you can handle. some guys get swelling and numbness that is too uncomfortable
 
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my .02 dont use metformin. unless a doctor prescribes it. if you cant make progress from 12 weeks of test and 12 months of hgh you wont get **** out of metformin except some side you may not recover from.
save your money and either do 2 or 3 cycle or a blast and cruise
It is more for preventing insulin resistance. Nothing to do with results. Rather health
 
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also you may wanna ramp up the HGH use and see how much you can handle. some guys get swelling and numbness that is too uncomfortable
Solid advice. You don't want to start at 10.
 

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It is more for preventing insulin resistance. Nothing to do with results. Rather health
do u happen to have experiance using it? just aksing becuz we kinda got conflicting info here. 1 guy says it will **** up my own insulin and give me permanent sides and you and another guy seem to think its a good idea to use. doesnt help that theres barely much talk about it used with hgh besides only a handful of threads ..
 
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do u happen to have experiance using it? just aksing becuz we kinda got conflicting info here. 1 guy says it will **** up my own insulin and give me permanent sides and you and another guy seem to think its a good idea to use. doesnt help that theres barely much talk about it used with hgh besides only a handful of threads ..
That is far from the truth. It is not insulin. Matter of fact it can cure type 2 diabetes. I've used it here an there and my a1c is always fine. Hgh can cause those types of sides, not metformin.
 
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Also metformin had NEVER sent me hypo even while keto on high doses. It can happen but it's not that common.
 
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do u happen to have experiance using it? just aksing becuz we kinda got conflicting info here. 1 guy says it will **** up my own insulin and give me permanent sides and you and another guy seem to think its a good idea to use. doesnt help that theres barely much talk about it used with hgh besides only a handful of threads ..
You have to dissect through info on this site.
You'll also hear that Chinese GH is garbage and you won't properly recover with RC Serms
 
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do u happen to have experiance using it? just aksing becuz we kinda got conflicting info here. 1 guy says it will **** up my own insulin and give me permanent sides and you and another guy seem to think its a good idea to use. doesnt help that theres barely much talk about it used with hgh besides only a handful of threads ..
I've heard that around 10iu is wen its time to start considering Metaformin or insulin.
 
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do u happen to have experiance using it? just aksing becuz we kinda got conflicting info here. 1 guy says it will **** up my own insulin and give me permanent sides and you and another guy seem to think its a good idea to use. doesnt help that theres barely much talk about it used with hgh besides only a handful of threads ..
So there are lots of guys on AM that know their stuff.
10 ius of GH isn't some radical dosage. People do use that much. And not just pro bodybuilders.
I wish I new more about Metaformin. I bought some but I'm at 5ius and I found I don't need it at that dose. I may still run 425 mg a day in the future. I'm still researching. If I was running 10 ius I would be more concerned about insulin sensitivity. More research my brother.
 

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do u happen to have experiance using it? just aksing becuz we kinda got conflicting info here. 1 guy says it will **** up my own insulin and give me permanent sides and you and another guy seem to think its a good idea to use. doesnt help that theres barely much talk about it used with hgh besides only a handful of threads ..
I feel like when it comes to talking about higher doses more agressive cycles.. is when you venture over to something like professional muscle, steroidology, etc etc.. where basically anything over the counter like prohormones or sarms are laughed at and advised against because they are just about the “hardcore” aspect of bodybuilding.. but i like this forum because it seems to embrace both sides.. your otc designers etc.. and then real gear of course
 

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The T4 is the most important....my bloodwork came back as tanked T4 (4.4....my level should be 4.6 - 15) with IGF levels hovering around 345...my range is 75-216 and this was using 5 I.U. of Chinese generic.

Had someone tell me GH will destroy T4 values hence the lethargy all the time and feeling tired. Started taking 25mcg of T4 and can feel a boost in my body, going to ramp it up to 50mcg and discontinue using when I stop Growth.
 

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The T4 is the most important....my bloodwork came back as tanked T4 (4.4....my level should be 4.6 - 15) with IGF levels hovering around 345...my range is 75-216 and this was using 5 I.U. of Chinese generic.

Had someone tell me GH will destroy T4 values hence the lethargy all the time and feeling tired. Started taking 25mcg of T4 and can feel a boost in my body, going to ramp it up to 50mcg and discontinue using when I stop Growth.
good idea. yea, gh supresses your t4/t3 and its worse the higher you dose it. keep in mind t4 is 1/4 as potent as t3, so even 100mcg is still like only 25mcg of t3. i was gonna do 75mcg t4 for this cycle but decided to up it to 100mcg as that was the dosage used in some studies i was reading
 

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guys i also have another question. I was looking at adding some igf-1 lr3 50mcg/day onto this at the start for 6 weeks. ive read it acts similar to insulin as far as you having to time out carbs and such. will this have a synergy with the metformin and hgh or will it be working against those in any way? lot of stuff u gotta double check when using this stuff in high dose it seems

im thinking u maybe dont need metformin if your running the igf-1 at the same time as gh, and then when the igf is done ill just continue the hgh with the metformin.

is the igf1 overkill with the high dose hgh or will i still see benefits? I know gh already causes the igf to increase in your body but not sure if theres room for more lol
 
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The T4 is the most important....my bloodwork came back as tanked T4 (4.4....my level should be 4.6 - 15) with IGF levels hovering around 345...my range is 75-216 and this was using 5 I.U. of Chinese generic.

Had someone tell me GH will destroy T4 values hence the lethargy all the time and feeling tired. Started taking 25mcg of T4 and can feel a boost in my body, going to ramp it up to 50mcg and discontinue using when I stop Growth.
Will t3 work.? We take t4 hoping itconverts to t3correct?
 
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guys i also have another question. I was looking at adding some igf-1 lr3 50mcg/day onto this at the start for 6 weeks. ive read it acts similar to insulin as far as you having to time out carbs and such. will this have a synergy with the metformin and hgh or will it be working against those in any way? lot of stuff u gotta double check when using this stuff in high dose it seems

im thinking u maybe dont need metformin if your running the igf-1 at the same time as gh, and then when the igf is done ill just continue the hgh with the metformin.

is the igf1 overkill with the high dose hgh or will i still see benefits? I know gh already causes the igf to increase in your body but not sure if theres room for more lol
Interesting. Again I don't think this is 100% correct. I don't think igf1 is areplaceme t for insulin. All peptides should've taken while carb deficient.
I have a friend who swears by igf lr3 while on GH. But he just gets instructions from his old training partner, who is now a Dr down in the LA bodybuilding scene. He also is big on switching compound s every 6 weeks.
That t3/t4 is interesting. This is the second time I've heard it.
 

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Interesting. Again I don't think this is 100% correct. I don't think igf1 is areplaceme t for insulin. All peptides should've taken while carb deficient.
I have a friend who swears by igf lr3 while on GH. But he just gets instructions from his old training partner, who is now a Dr down in the LA bodybuilding scene. He also is big on switching compound s every 6 weeks.
That t3/t4 is interesting. This is the second time I've heard it.
yes t4 is a needed thing on high dose hgh and it is superior to t3 because the synthetic t3 you inject does not act like the regular t3 that is produced by your body when it converts t4.
 

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yes t4 is a needed thing on high dose hgh and it is superior to t3 because the synthetic t3 you inject does not act like the regular t3 that is produced by your body when it converts t4.
You don’t inject t3 it’s oral. And how do you know it’s not bioidentical?
 
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Wait. Doesn't T4 convert to T3 which is more active.
 
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im solely using the metformin just to keep regular insulin response , not for its other benefits. can you talk more about the permanenet sides you spoke of? and isnt it a must to use something insulin related when running 10iu of hgh?? would love for you to share ur experiance if thats not the case
Metformin is perfectly fine. It offers more benefits than side effects, and the side effects are not super common either.
 
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Metformin is perfectly fine. It offers more benefits than side effects, and the side effects are not super common either.
What's a good starting dose. I have 850 mg extended release. Just have been gun shy about pulling the trigget
 

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Yeah i think I remember that video where he mentions along with that 20iu growth he was doing 2000mg test, and Tren and Deca around 600- 800mg each for what sounded like a year.. but who knows
Let's not forget the massive opiate addiction
 
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Just take Berberine, as it's better anyway.

"In summary, that berberine is a potent oral hypoglycemic agent with modest effect on lipid metabolism. It is safe and the cost of treatment by berberine is very low. It may serve as a new drug candidate in the treatment of type 2 diabetes. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2410097/
 

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Let's not forget the massive opiate addiction
So true.. most people don’t realize these big bodybuilders pass away because of abuse of recreational drugs.. but are quick to blame steroids.. rediculous
 

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Just take Berberine, as it's better anyway.

"In summary, that berberine is a potent oral hypoglycemic agent with modest effect on lipid metabolism. It is safe and the cost of treatment by berberine is very low. It may serve as a new drug candidate
any reason you think this is so much better than metformin as to go out my way to get it?
 
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