100 mcg mod grf 1-29 (cjc-1295 no DAC) + 100mcg ipamorelin x 3 times a day increased my IGF-1 from 227ng/ml to 406 ng/ml

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Most of you know me, as I used to use MK-677 for years on end, at least 4 years straight, with 6 months break each year, as it could not be used for more than 6 months, as the increased levels started to drop at month 6, tolerance to MK677. I switched to peptides to get rid of sides and looking for something that I could use every day for life, no breaks needed.

Update: I have been extremely pleased using a blend of 5mg mod grf 1-29 (cjc-1295 no DAC) + 5mg ipamorelin (100 mcg of each) x 3 times a day, 1st thing in morning, pre-workout or pre-cardio on non workout days, and pre-bed, I've been able to get down to my lowest bodyfat and most musculature ever possible personally in combination with my normal 200mg Test Cyp a week, I can use this indefinately: never loses effectiveness like MK-677 as MK-677 is a derivative of ghrp-6, which does loose effectiveness after 6 months. Mod grf 1-29 and ipamorelin can be used every day for life, never weakens like MK677, as it is not a derivative of GHRP-6. I can get a blend of 5mg mod grf 1-29 and ipamorelin for around $60 that last me 16 days at 100mcg of each x 3 times a day. I can afford the cost of this per month, it's so worth it.

I prepare the 3 injections for the day, store in fridge in 3/10 syringes. I take one dose with me to work, and store in lunch in fridge, but take it in mid day apart from food, last break. I will continue to use this for the rest of my life. Had blood work done for $70, just as effective as my old mk-677 25mg dose, very impressed. Producing the GH and IGF-1 of an 18 years old, and I'm 52. ZERO bloat, ZERO hunger, ZERO cortisol released using the ipamorelin, smooth as silk....MK677 use to bloat me and make me hungry all the time and does not burn fat, where as the peptides do great job of burning fat, this stuff sheds fat instead, no side effects, deep sleep with vivid colored dreams like I've never had before. Studies indicate ipamorelin gives same GH and IGF-1 as ghrp-6 but without all the sides (hunger, cortisol increase) of GHRP-6.

I get a summer pass and go to the waterpark at least once a week, my body fat was finally down so low, a group of teenagers stopped me and asked me questions about working out, then all said "woaah" in unison as they gazed at me, totally freaked me out, my wife was with me....this has not happened in quite a while at the waterpark. I took the bloodwork after 2 weeks on, but have been using the peptides for 3 months.

IGF-1 range for my age group of 52 ------- 67 to 205 ng/ml igf-1
IGF-1 range for older adults ----------------- 59 to 225 ng/ml igf-1
IGF-1 range for young adults is ------------ 116 to 358 ng/ml igf-1

4-6-18, baseline igf -1 = 227 ng/ml------------------------------------------------- baseline

This is my bloodwork after using the blend for 2 weeks, as you can see it took me to the IGF-1 range of better than most 18 year olds. I had the blood drawn at the local lab core approximately 1 hour after my first injection into skin pinch of my abdomen, I inject right under the skin subcutaneously x 3 times a day. Luckily, there was not much of a line of people in the morning, only 2 people in front of me. I go super early.
zzz mod grf 1-29 + ipamorelin blood work (100mcg of each).JPG


5mg mod grf 1-29 + 5mg ipamorelin
5000mcg (5mg) per vial
add 2ml bac water in vial
4iu (2 small tics, as each tic = 2iu) on a standard 100iu (1ml) insulin pin gives 100mcg of each
4iu (4 small tics, as each tic = 1iu) on a 3/10 syringe insulin pin gives 100mcg of each

Results: skin looks younger, great pump during workouts, noticed joint lubrication as GH increases collagen production, increased endurance for workouts or cardio, increased strength and helped me burn fat, sharper cognitive skills, got rid of brain fog, deep sleep, vivid colored pleasant dreams like I've never had before.
 
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I took the bloodwork after 2 weeks on, but have been using the peptides for 3 months.
 

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Great info, thanks for sharing. I went a few months on cjc with dac and ipamorelin and i did feel real good on it, even taking the ipam once daily before bed and splitting my weekly cjc into 2 shots before bed. I might have to give your protocol a try.
 
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Thanks Jeff, appreciate the kind words. Glad you also felt really good on the cjc w/dac and ipamorelin, great stuff.

Past bloodwork:

4-11-18, 2 days on 4iu of pharm grade HGH from China = 380 ng/ml--------------increase of 153 points

2-3-20, baseline igf-1 taken a 2nd time = 229 ng/ml igf-1------------------------------------------new baseline

Based on my bloodwork from years ago, this 100mcg mod grf 1-29 + 100mcg ipamorelin x 3 times a day is giving me around the equivalent of 4.2 iu pharm grade GH from China, even slightly better than the 4iu of HGH I tried out years ago.

I don't mind the pinning at all, it sure beats the bloat and hunger of MK-677, and the lack of effectiveness after 6 months on it. Small price to pay.
 
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You could still throw in the mk from time to time, few years back I did blood work on various dosages and even doing 12.5 mg a day 5 days on 2 days off I had similar elevations in igf-1 as I did on 25 mg daily.

Regardless of all that I'm glad it's working for you and it sounds like you got your protocol down right. 👏👏👏
 
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Yes, I could throw in mk677 even at 12.5mg, but it will not do anything to take my GH any higher, there is a limit to what can be reached naturally, and the peptides already have me there, the body puts a closed feedback loop in place after taking either mk677 or peptides, to keep the levels from "getting too high", they will not go above higher than the levels of around 4iu or so of pharma grade HGH naturally, not to mention I can't tolerate the "face bloat" of mk677, I just look plain weird...with the peptides I look fine in the face.

I get the question all the time "why not just use low dose HGH?" I have used 4iu of pharm grade HGH from China before, these peptides give me the same IGF-1 and GH as 4iu pharm grade GH, but this is my own home made GH from the pituitary, I am lucky in that my body normally produces high GH for my age group, so the peptides just put the breaks on somatostatin and cause my body to release the stored up GH I have already, the body never forgets how to make youthful levels of GH, back to the levels I used to produce when I was around 18 or so...

...the great thing about your natural GH, is that the body is making lots of it already, it's just as you get older, you are not able to release it all, you need the signal to do this, and the peptides thankfully can do this. One thing forgot to mention, I've noticed the increases joint lubrication in the gym as well, as GH increases collagen production, welcome relief. What can happen to the body when you are on pharm grade HGH over time? Say for years on end...will it screw up your natural levels permanently? These are things to consider...I've also read people try and take HGH in the morning or late evening in an attempt to prevent the natural release of HGH from your brain during sleep, but studies show this night time natural release of HGH does not happen when you already take HGH injection during the day, whether it is morning, afternoon, or evening. Not to mention, I can go on-line and use a credit card, and have it within a few days delivered, I love the convenience...if I can do this using my own natural GH, then it's a no brainer for me.

You all probably know me, as I have taken bloodwork around a dozen times using my health medical card which has a high limit, I can have it done "for free" basically. I have posted numerous bloodwork results using mk677 in the past, and the peptides give me the exact same high GH release as MK677. I showed for example, how at the 6 month point the peak GH levels released by mk677 start to weaken or drop from the peak, and at 7 and 8 months they are down even more from the peak...as MK677 is a derivative of GHRP-6, it will loose effectiveness, just as the experts have said, and just as my bloodwork results have shown, it can't be used daily for life, but the peptides remain effective everyday for life.

I will continue to take bloodwork using theses peptides every so often, and post bloodwork here again after 6 months, a year, etc. As a scientist, I like to track these things and post results for others to learn from.

I am not the first to post peptides bloodwork, here for example is an old one done by medical doctor Alpha6164 on his best friend who used peptides:
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Alpha6164's (medical doctor's best friend):
167 igf1---->272 igf1 (100mcg grf(1-29) + 100mcg ghrp2 x 3 times a day) = 105 point increase
 
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Great very useful information. Thanks for sharing. I’ve tried the MK 677 at 12.5, 5 on 2 off stacked with cjc 1295 w/ dac and really enjoyed the results. IGF 1 elevated very similar to
3 iu HGH. The MK does give me bloat early, but thankfully after about 4 weeks the bloat goes away, but I knew after 5-6 months MK 677 starts losing it’s affect. Also HGH helped better with fat loss than that stack.
One of the most interesting results of your new research, with the other peptides, is that the stack doesn’t lose it’s effectiveness, and you can continue to run without having to come off. The idea of being able to keep my igf at a 18 year old level, without having to use exogenous HGH, is very appealing to this 57 year old.👍
 
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Great very useful information. Thanks for sharing. I’ve tried the MK 677 at 12.5, 5 on 2 off stacked with cjc 1295 w/ dac and really enjoyed the results. IGF 1 elevated very similar to
3 iu HGH. The MK does give me bloat early, but thankfully after about 4 weeks the bloat goes away, but I knew after 5-6 months MK 677 starts losing it’s affect. Also HGH helped better with fat loss than that stack.
One of the most interesting results of your new research, with the other peptides, is that the stack doesn’t lose it’s effectiveness, and you can continue to run without having to come off. The idea of being able to keep my igf at a 18 year old level, without having to use exogenous HGH, is very appealing to this 57 year old.👍
Great info gphagan1, I have read a study where HGH was given daily to people for years, then when they stopped, it took the body a very long time to recover and start producing natural GH again, when they were given HGH on a once every 2 day period, the body recovered quicker than the daily dose. The bloat and hunger from mk677 does come off after 3 to 4 weeks, and the studies show mk677 does not do anything for fat loss, but it has potent nitrogen retention....I will be taking another bloodwork after being on peptides 5mg/5mg blend of mod grf 1-29 (cjc no DAC) + ipamorelin (100mcg of each x 3 times a day) for 3.2 months now, will post in 1 to 2 weeks.
 
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bodybuilding peptide calculator:


Example shown below of how I calculate using 3/10 insulin syringes:

For 5mg mod grf 1-29 and 5mg ipamorelin BLEND all in one vial, I add 2ml bac water,
using a 3/10 syringe, each unit or tic mark I pull out is 1 iu or 25mcg, I want a
100mcg dose, so I pull to the 4 units or 4 tic marks = 100mcg to inject, I inject x
3 times a day.

I will be posting more IGF-1 bloodwork (taking another bloodwork next week after using the peptides for 3 months) and post when I get the results a few days after next week.

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How are you adding 2ml of the BAC to the small peptide vials? Do you use the 3/10 and fill that up 6x?
 
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bodybuilding peptide calculator:


Example shown below of how I calculate using 3/10 insulin syringes:

For 5mg mod grf 1-29 and 5mg ipamorelin BLEND all in one vial, I add 2ml bac water,
using a 3/10 syringe, each unit or tic mark I pull out is 1 iu or 25mcg, I want a
100mcg dose, so I pull to the 4 units or 4 tic marks = 100mcg to inject, I inject x
3 times a day.

I will be posting more IGF-1 bloodwork (taking another bloodwork next week after using the peptides for 3 months) and post when I get the results a few days after next week.

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Great information, thanks.
 

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I notice great muscle fullness on mk677. Do you notice a difference with ghrp/ipamorelin in regards to comparing muscle fullness?
 
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Yes mase1, answer your question in thread below, there is much greater fullness with MK677, a dianabol type feeling all day, and mega pumps in the gym.

UPDATE:
year 2022, Part II: please post here, thread continued here:

This is 2022 part II of the giant part I (50,000 view) 2018 MK677 thread, 25mg MK677 like 4iu of pharm grade HGH:
Please post here! Give us your experiences.
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