1-Testosterone dosage...
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skazzel
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It's not so much the dosage, as the duration. Even low amounts of 1-Test will shut down your natural test production, which will lead to low/no test/estrogen which is the cause of the dreaded lethargy. Doing 1-Test for an extended period by itself will make you lethargic and kill your libido.
This is the reason most people add some 4ad to their homebrew 1-Test transdermals.
This is the reason most people add some 4ad to their homebrew 1-Test transdermals.
curt2go
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I don't think it is from low natural test. When you do regular test injected or not you do not get lethargy. It is an inherrant property of mild-high dosages of 1-test. It will kick in way before your natural test goes away whicj is 3-4 weeks. For me it started at 1 week. At higher dosages it will get worse i would say over 266mg/day with the dmso. It can be somewhat counter acted with 4-ad . At least 100mg/day would be sufficient... Talk to ya. 
skazzel
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curt2go,
I think a large part of the lethargy is caused by lack of test/estrogen, natural or not rather than being a side effect specific to the 1-test compound. As you say, the lethargic feeling is not experienced by those on a test only cycle which would provide plenty of circulating test/estrogen.
Any non-aromatizing compound such as 1-test and fina will zap your energy and libido unless test is added into the picture.
Lifeguard,
The 1-4dione does aromatize somewhat, but I don't know if it will be enough to make up for what the 1-test is going to do to you
You should make some great gains though! How many mgs/day of 1,4 are you planning to do?
I think a large part of the lethargy is caused by lack of test/estrogen, natural or not rather than being a side effect specific to the 1-test compound. As you say, the lethargic feeling is not experienced by those on a test only cycle which would provide plenty of circulating test/estrogen.
Any non-aromatizing compound such as 1-test and fina will zap your energy and libido unless test is added into the picture.
Lifeguard,
The 1-4dione does aromatize somewhat, but I don't know if it will be enough to make up for what the 1-test is going to do to you
You should make some great gains though! How many mgs/day of 1,4 are you planning to do?
Lifeguard
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skazzel said:
Lifeguard,
The 1-4dione does aromatize somewhat, but I don't know if it will be enough to make up for what the 1-test is going to do to you
Yeah, I know about 1,4-andro and aromatization, the estrogen in my body will help with more gains, and as far as dosage it's gonna be 400mg/ed...
...Oh ****! I just remembered that I still have a ****-load of Androstat 150 cyclo-poppers and each serving (2 poppers) has 125mg of 4-AD in it along with 25mg of all the other andros (nor-4-androdiol and dione, 5-androdiol and dione, and 4-androdione @5mg each)
HAHAHAHAHHAA, I found a good source of pre-workout 4-AD. COOL
And I've used it a few times for pre-workout and pre-nightclub along w/ECA...talk about JACKED!
skazzel
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I've never done deca or primo personally, but I do know deca has the same energy/libido zapping reputation ("decadick") that you see attributed to other non-aromatizing compounds.
Steroids (and ultimately, PH's) either bind to receptors or they don't. This is the only way they can elicit effects. So if 1-test is causing certain sides it has to be due to it's stimulation of various receptors, or lack thereof. We also know that heavy stimulation of any receptors will disrupt the HPTA and cause natural test production to halt.
Natural test production shuts down very fast when exogenous hormones are present. It does take several weeks for the existing supply of free and total testosterone to break down and be depleted, thus giving a false sense of normalcy.
Steroids (and ultimately, PH's) either bind to receptors or they don't. This is the only way they can elicit effects. So if 1-test is causing certain sides it has to be due to it's stimulation of various receptors, or lack thereof. We also know that heavy stimulation of any receptors will disrupt the HPTA and cause natural test production to halt.
Natural test production shuts down very fast when exogenous hormones are present. It does take several weeks for the existing supply of free and total testosterone to break down and be depleted, thus giving a false sense of normalcy.
curt2go
Homebrew Help, Inc.
skazzel said:
I know about decadick but I have never heard of lethargy from deca. I realize the rest but test binds to the receptors as well shutting down natural test. The problem is not from shutting down the natural test.But then again I don't know why it is... Just thinking out loud. Talk to ya.
skazzel
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All I'm saying is:
no test = lethargy, no libido, general crappy feeling.
And we know that doing longer cycles of 1-test (4+ weeks) will shut down natural test and leave us with no circulating testosterone.
You know what the symptoms of low-testosterone are in aging males? "Testosterone-deficient men complain of lethargy, lack of motivation, poor concentration, depression and low libido." Sound a little like the sides bro's on 1-test only cycles complain about?
I guarantee if you put someone on a high dose of 1-test but give them a gram of testosterone a week, they will never complain about low energy/libido levels.
no test = lethargy, no libido, general crappy feeling.
And we know that doing longer cycles of 1-test (4+ weeks) will shut down natural test and leave us with no circulating testosterone.
You know what the symptoms of low-testosterone are in aging males? "Testosterone-deficient men complain of lethargy, lack of motivation, poor concentration, depression and low libido." Sound a little like the sides bro's on 1-test only cycles complain about?
I guarantee if you put someone on a high dose of 1-test but give them a gram of testosterone a week, they will never complain about low energy/libido levels.
wardog
Active member
skazzel said:curt2go,
I think a large part of the lethargy is caused by lack of test/estrogen, natural or not rather than being a side effect specific to the 1-test compound. As you say, the lethargic feeling is not experienced by those on a test only cycle which would provide plenty of circulating test/estrogen.
Any non-aromatizing compound such as 1-test and fina will zap your energy and libido unless test is added into the picture.
Lifeguard,
The 1-4dione does aromatize somewhat, but I don't know if it will be enough to make up for what the 1-test is going to do to you
I disagree completely. I have done straight fina cycles and had a nasty energy all the time. They say tren stimulates the CNS more than any other AAS. I have also run test with enough femura to cancel out any estrogen and felt great. 1-test was the ONLY thing I have ever done hormone wise, that made me feel like the damn walking dead. Just my experience tho.
Jrblh
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I did a couple mils of dhb 200mg per ml and as of bout 60 hours in no pip whatsoever a couple guys on here were telling me I didn't know what I was talking bout because I hadn't used it yet I let them know that I was told by a good source that it was without pip they made a couple comments just letting them know it's all true 200 pipless dhbYeah, I know about 1,4-andro and aromatization, the estrogen in my body will help with more gains, and as far as dosage it's gonna be 400mg/ed...
...Oh ****! I just remembered that I still have a ****-load of Androstat 150 cyclo-poppers and each serving (2 poppers) has 125mg of 4-AD in it along with 25mg of all the other andros (nor-4-androdiol and dione, 5-androdiol and dione, and 4-androdione @5mg each)
HAHAHAHAHHAA, I found a good source of pre-workout 4-AD. COOL
And I've used it a few times for pre-workout and pre-nightclub along w/ECA...talk about JACKED!
Jeremyk1
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Dude, this thread can almost legally drink in the US.
KvanH
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Some threads have definitely been drinking. No matter the age.
Jeremyk1
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I’ve learned to specify “legally”.