1 Gram Test E or Cyp good idea?

pistonpump said:
im going to do this in jan most likely:

1-14 test e 750mg
1-13 eq 600mg
1-5 dbol 30mg
12-16 superdrol 20mg or winny 50mg
12-16 hcg 500iu week
17 hcg 1500iu

arimidex as needed or proviron as needed if libido goes south

post cycle therapy:nolva clomid retain fenu maca

how does this look? just briefly im still in the long term planning process. just looking at what i want to do ahead of time.

lastly how does would i dose the eq and test that would be 3 ml each for a week. would it be ok to do 2ml test 1ml eq on say mon. and then 2ml eq 1ml test on thurs.?
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I'd split up 2cc's 1one of each 3x a week imo you don't want to do a 3cc shot especially when your not used to injecting. just wondering why stop the eq 1 week earlier?
 
I'm going to throw in another perspective here. I consider myself VERY much an ectomorph. I'm the guy that can eat McDonalds all week and not gain a pound. My "natural" comfortable weight at 6' 2" is around 178-185. To get beyond that means I eat to the point of constantly being uncomfortable. I also trained naturally for 15 years before trying anything. 500mg Test-E for me and by week 8 I was up 19lbs. I would say it is totally up to the genetic make-up of the person but there are certain indicators that will kind of hint at what your starting point should be (such as current weight, body fat%, endo, ecto, meso, etc). Even at just 25mg a day of proviron and my bench went up another 25lbs and weight stayed the same (and Provirons usually cause a tiny bit of weight loss in most people). Why not start low and go from there?
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
EQ has a longer half life and takes a week longer than test e to clear out of your system.
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Well my thinking was that eq also takes longer to kick in since he wants to run an oral at the end and he has it down for 5 weeks which imo is too long especially since he has 5 weeks of dbol at the beginning. but he could easily start the oral later than week 12. I think with the time it takes for eq to kick in he is not getting the most out of it by running it shorter than the test.
 
Pistonpump, go with superdrol at the end, winny is horrible on the joints. Looks like a good cycle, one that i wish i did for my first.
 
rotarnomore said:
Even at just 25mg a day of proviron and my bench went up another 25lbs and weight stayed the same (and Provirons usually cause a tiny bit of weight loss in most people). Why not start low and go from there?
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That is amazing since proviron is purely androgenic and has no anabolic properties at all.
 
mixedup said:
I'd split up 2cc's 1one of each 3x a week imo you don't want to do a 3cc shot especially when your not used to injecting. just wondering why stop the eq 1 week earlier?
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monday wednesday friday?
 
Ya M/W/F is fine. I'd go with shooting quads first, i find those are my favourite. Shoulders aren't bad either. And if your a sicko shoot calfs, lol.
 
rotarnomore said:
...500mg Test-E for me and by week 8 I was up 19lbs....... Even at just 25mg a day of proviron and my bench went up another 25lbs and weight stayed the same (and Provirons usually cause a tiny bit of weight loss in most people). Why not start low and go from there?
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how much did you gain total from it? what did your cycle look like and how much did you keep?

I will probably keep proviron for a more suppressive cycle libido wise as i have heard it helps that. maybe if i ever do deca or tren down the line. i was going to prob do 50 mg EOD.
 
I'd suggest you use proviron purely for the fact that it unbinds testosterone so you've got more free test flowing, it's not total test that counts it's free test. So your actually making your cycle more effective and cutting estrogen by including it. It's a serm but it doesn't lower igf-1 levels like Nolvadex. I've used Femara during my cycles and it's literally too potent, i'm sticking with Proviron from now on. If you can get away with using it and not shedding any hair I suggest you do too. Keep a log when you start your cycle i wanna see your gains, you should explode, lol.
 
DragonRider said:
That is amazing since proviron is purely androgenic and has no anabolic properties at all.
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I read that a lot and I don't buy it. Even estrogen in my opinion has anabolic properties since it causes water retention and fat gaining. Both of those are anabolic (growth) properties. Proviron for a fact increases free testosterone levels which (again in my opinion) makes it anabolic. That is a typo on my part though. My bench went up 15lbs, not 25 but still a defininate increase.
 
mixedup said:
Well my thinking was that eq also takes longer to kick in since he wants to run an oral at the end and he has it down for 5 weeks which imo is too long especially since he has 5 weeks of dbol at the beginning. but he could easily start the oral later than week 12. I think with the time it takes for eq to kick in he is not getting the most out of it by running it shorter than the test.
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i made a mistake on the last oral. meant weeks 13-16 Superdrol (chaps advice taken).

if i ran the test and eq til the same week that would leave me 1 week before PCT where the test e would be low and also the natty test. Unless HCG would be used for the natty test to come up for the one week that the test e would be leaving.
 
For post cycle therapy i'd drop the clomid and just run Nolvadex it's way more potent mg to mg anyway. Also run some ATD in their as well. I'd run the ATD and the Retain for 8 weeks , you should be able to actually gain more mass and cut fat doing this. Also clomid effects eye sight and alot of guys get pretty emotional on it, and i don't think you wanna be couped up crying at chick flicks on your pct, lol. Run the nolvadex inverse to ATD per Dr D's suggestion, i do this and LOVE IT. Works great, so ya it would be 60mg nolvadex and 25mg atd, then just lower the nolvadex week by week and up the atd. Also consider something like activate or Powerfull to keep sex drive up, atd kills mine anyway.
 
pistonpump said:
how much did you gain total from it? what did your cycle look like and how much did you keep?

I will probably keep proviron for a more suppressive cycle libido wise as i have heard it helps that. maybe if i ever do deca or tren down the line. i was going to prob do 50 mg EOD.
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Funny you should ask because I wanted to make a post asking a related question. Total lbs gained during the cycle was 19lbs and I stayed on it for 12 weeks. So the last 4 weeks I gained nothing. I wanted to run 16 weeks but I didn't see the point so I cut the cycle short. Now here's the thing. I quit for 2 weeks (remember that I was on test-e) and then started back up again (honestly just because I still had the stuff laying around and it was like money burning a hole in my pocket) and ran it for 4 more weeks. I gained a couple more pounds but I noticed my strength went up again. It seems to me that my body responds best to the RAMP rather than the cruising. Can't figure that one out.
 
CHAPS said:
Pistonpump, go with superdrol at the end, winny is horrible on the joints. Looks like a good cycle, one that i wish i did for my first.
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have you done EQ before and how does the HCG doses look?

What are opinions on frontloading for first cycle? I was thinkin you can get effects sooner so you can gauge reactions and doses needed sooner.
 
CHAPS said:
I'd suggest you use proviron purely for the fact that it unbinds testosterone so you've got more free test flowing, it's not total test that counts it's free test. So your actually making your cycle more effective and cutting estrogen by including it. It's a serm but it doesn't lower igf-1 levels like Nolvadex. I've used Femara during my cycles and it's literally too potent, i'm sticking with Proviron from now on. If you can get away with using it and not shedding any hair I suggest you do too. Keep a log when you start your cycle i wanna see your gains, you should explode, lol.
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yeah, when reading its profile (proviron) it looks awesome and its like why doesnt everyone use it. it is expensive but i think its worth it. It looks like it works very well with test. I dont think i can run it for 14 weeks $$ wise. What weeks would you run it on a cycle like the one i posted? i was thinking like 1-5 break 8-11 or something like that...
 
Weeks 4-16 i'd do the hcg at 250 iu's twice weekly so like m/t. This seems to keep the nuts in check. No I haven't used EQ...yet, but if you can get it i'd use Boldenone Cypionate instead of Undeconate because it'll kick in faster. Also i wouldn't worry about frontloading you'll have the D-bol's in their to help kickstart the cycle so strength and size gains will be rapid as it is. Then things will level off when your on the eq+test and the gains will slow down but they will be nice quality gains, if you had of chosen something like Deca you would be dealing with more water retention. Expect to be hungry as hell, and vascularity to go through the roof i've seen my buddy's on it and the veins are just awesome, these also get a nice rock hard look to them. I intend on running it after my next cutter. So ya then you'll be running the Superdrol at the end which is almost a pure anabolic so that will help solidify your gains, ending cycles with pure anabolics actually helps you hold onto your gains better. Keep that inmind for future cycles. I'd also run some Cycle Support to keep mainly the blood pressure incheck with the EQ which can cause high BP. It's good though that you included eq because the D-bol's will make your endurance suffer but you'll get it back from the eq and apparently the superdrol helps as well. Your gunna be one veiny bastard, lol. Good luck with the cycle, any questions you have don't hesitate to ask.
 
CHAPS said:
For post cycle therapy i'd drop the clomid and just run Nolvadex it's way more potent mg to mg anyway. Also run some ATD in their as well. I'd run the ATD and the Retain for 8 weeks , you should be able to actually gain more mass and cut fat doing this. Also clomid effects eye sight and alot of guys get pretty emotional on it, and i don't think you wanna be couped up crying at chick flicks on your post cycle therapy, lol. Run the nolvadex inverse to ATD per Dr D's suggestion, i do this and LOVE IT. Works great, so ya it would be 60mg nolvadex and 25mg atd, then just lower the nolvadex week by week and up the atd. Also consider something like activate or Powerfull to keep sex drive up, atd kills mine anyway.
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I really was not going to use clomid because it just doesnt appeal at all to me but someone on another board suggested it for any long cycle PCT. Claiming it will bring nat. test back faster than nolva alone, so run both. I was only going to use maybe 100mg then 50 mg for the first two weeks of PCT. But the HCG at week 17 should be good enough with nolva retain fenu maca and RXT.

I also like the Dr D inverse atd suggestion i use that as well. plus he knows his ****.

I have been looking forward to a long cycle such as this but i still want to get everything right and prepare so i can get as much as i can out of it. Thanks all
 
how about hcg at 500iu once a week? how does the week 17 hcg look, necassary? i heard people use 5000iu a week at the end of cycle...i honestly dont want to run it to long as i would be injecting 3x a week as is. I guess i should research more about hcg first....
 
I'd keep it at 250iu's throughout, and it's injected sub Q. You'll get use to the injections they aren't bad. I was shooting 8 shots a week before, you just have to change up the sites. Glutes, quads, shoulders, calfs, chest, traps, biceps, triceps. You want have to resort to that will your cycle but you can still give different sites a try.
 
pistonpump said:
hence the strength gain(androgenic) and the no weight gain.
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Androgenic means it promotes the development and maintenance of male sex characteristics.

Anabolic is what promotes strength and muscle growth.

Proviron will not do anything for strength gains or muscle growth. It is used in bodybuilding purely as an estrogen antagonist.
 
DragonRider said:
Androgenic means it promotes the development and maintenance of male sex characteristics.

Anabolic is what promotes strength and muscle growth.

Proviron will not do anything for strength gains or muscle growth. It is used in bodybuilding purely as an estrogen antagonist.
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Fact - it raises total free testosterone in the body which will promote muscle growth.
Fact - MY BODY saw strength gains.
It may be labelled as an androgen, but it does have anabolic characteristics. I don't know of a single hormone that is purely androgenic or purely anabolic.
 
rotarnomore said:
I don't know of a single hormone that is purely androgenic or purely anabolic.
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Let me introduce you to Provirion.

Proviron this is rotarnomore.

Rotarnomore please meet provirion.





Now you do.
 
Mdht
 
iTs all about your DIET AND ROUTINE!!!!!!!!1
More mgs doesn,t mean better results

Take your time and grow solid gains brother don,t jump the gun!

JUST MY 2#cents (AKA PHARMS):dl: :squat:
 
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methylated DHT to skeletal muscle growth
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DHT is a very potent androgen and is classified as such. That doesn't mean it is PURELY androgenic. It does have some anabolic traits.
 
Hey guys, i was planning on running my first injectable cycle soon and I was just wondering if people agree with the opinions stated at the beginning? I've run 3 PH cycles before and just wanted to see if you thought 500 mg of test per week would be enough. Thanks in advance
 
warnerve said:
I've run 3 PH cycles before and just wanted to see if you thought 500 mg of test per week would be enough. Thanks in advance
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Most definately for a first inject cycle.
 
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