1-DHEA - unexpected lethargy/anxiety....gains?

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I know that 1-DHEA has a rep for lethargy, but I'm a bit surprised at how much. I'm also getting some fairly significant bouts of anxiety too. I'm stacking it with andro/epiandro/GW, along with my trt and some ralox to battle some gyno that's almost gone from a kick start of m1a. Guess I just wasn't expecting the sides. My job has been pretty stressful recently, so I'm sure that's just adding fuel to the fire. Anyway, I'm plowing through it, but there has been little weight gain to date (halfway into week 4). Strength is up, but I think that's more the epi. Hopefully the weight gain will come along soon. Hoping to gain 6-8 lbs, but haven't had much of an appetite lately, so not sure I'll get there. Force feeding just isn't for me anymore, so I do what I can.
 
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i know you are probably getting this alot, but i dont think your going to see much mass when your already on TRT and have high normal test levels. these are much better suited to the guys just starting to dabble. I realize trt should make you normal like evey one else, but with the exogenous test taking up receptors, the andros may not be worth it. except like you mentioned the epi and its known strength increases. and even that (epiandro) takes huge doses to achieve. my two cents= up your test to 300 mgs a week and you will likely get better gains. andros have there place, mostly in natural/beginner cycles.
 

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i know you are probably getting this alot, but i dont think your going to see much mass when your already on TRT and have high normal test levels. these are much better suited to the guys just starting to dabble. I realize trt should make you normal like evey one else, but with the exogenous test taking up receptors, the andros may not be worth it. except like you mentioned the epi and its known strength increases. and even that (epiandro) takes huge doses to achieve. my two cents= up your test to 300 mgs a week and you will likely get better gains. andros have there place, mostly in natural/beginner cycles.
I get what you're saying, but this very point has always confused me. If someone is on test, which is taking up receptors, then why wouldn't this affect any other aas - sten, deca, you name it. Test seems to always be in the mix when talking about stacking, or at least a test base. All of the androgens occupy the AR, right? So I don't understand why test would just affect 1-Test (andros).
 
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the short answer is that these are true pro hormones.. they need to convert into other steroids to be effective. when you have a body full of test they dont convert as readily. you would be better served to use a TD formula as its known that the skin has many of the enzymes needed to convert them. but again.. the problem is that they dont bind very effectively as PHs. and thus dont send a huge signal for mass accumulation. all that said, if your going to grown on any of them 1 andro would be the one to do it with.
 

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the short answer is that these are true pro hormones.. they need to convert into other steroids to be effective. when you have a body full of test they dont convert as readily. you would be better served to use a TD formula as its known that the skin has many of the enzymes needed to convert them. but again.. the problem is that they dont bind very effectively as PHs. and thus dont send a huge signal for mass accumulation. all that said, if your going to grown on any of them 1 andro would be the one to do it with.
Ah, okay. That makes a little more sense. So the more androgens floating around, the less likely it will convert. Damn, might have to drop $$$ on some icon one now. Or, just hop on some sten lol. Don't really want to do that right now tho. I'll just ride this out for another 4 weeks and see it through. If I can get 3-4lbs, I'll be good with that. Overall, I have actually leaned out some without any weight loss, so aesthetically it hasn't been a bad cycle. Just wanting a little more size, but it's becoming clear that will require something stronger. I do have enough test to up my dose to ~350mg for about 1.5 months, so I think I'll do that to finish out the cycle.

Thanks for the info...
 
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there are some good offerings in TD these days. several top notch brands are starting to bring awesome TD products to market.
 

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From what I know, androgens down-regulate the expression of 3bHSD and 17bHSD, but there are multiple factors around it. HCG up-regulates their expression, so it could work for a andro cycle.
 
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Ah, okay. That makes a little more sense. So the more androgens floating around, the less likely it will convert. Damn, might have to drop $$$ on some icon one now. Or, just hop on some sten lol. Don't really want to do that right now tho. I'll just ride this out for another 4 weeks and see it through. If I can get 3-4lbs, I'll be good with that. Overall, I have actually leaned out some without any weight loss, so aesthetically it hasn't been a bad cycle. Just wanting a little more size, but it's becoming clear that will require something stronger. I do have enough test to up my dose to ~350mg for about 1.5 months, so I think I'll do that to finish out the cycle.

Thanks for the info...
Icon one is well worth the money. I found that I could feel the effects in the first week.



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Ah, okay. That makes a little more sense. So the more androgens floating around, the less likely it will convert. Damn, might have to drop $$$ on some icon one now. Or, just hop on some sten lol. Don't really want to do that right now tho. I'll just ride this out for another 4 weeks and see it through. If I can get 3-4lbs, I'll be good with that. Overall, I have actually leaned out some without any weight loss, so aesthetically it hasn't been a bad cycle. Just wanting a little more size, but it's becoming clear that will require something stronger. I do have enough test to up my dose to ~350mg for about 1.5 months, so I think I'll do that to finish out the cycle.

Thanks for the info...
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:unsure:

Does such thing even exist?
well i d k what people think nowa days, but back in the 90's PHs were considered natural, in that the body had to make enzymatic conversion to achieve the end goal. they are otherwise benign natural substances. or supposed to be found in the food supply.
 
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Wait what movie is that from? Looks similar to that guy from spiderman, what is it, hm?


Btw i love this scene

1:46 --> This moment is exactly how one feels in the gym breaking PR's on high amount of androgens 😈

 

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Icon one is well worth the money. I found that I could feel the effects in the first week.



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Any weight gain? Using any other exogenous hormones?
 

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Never tried 1-dhea because the lethargy I heard is the worst. Can have that, not worth it for me.
 
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Any weight gain? Using any other exogenous hormones?
i'm on trt...used 2 bottles of icon one[8 weeks] and gained 7lbs of muscle, i was very satisfied. very lean muscle!!!

i ran it by itself until week 6 when i started to get some lethargy, at that point i added in alpha seven[androsterone]and felt fine rest of the way.
 

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Thanks for the info. Not sure if it’s worth even continuing the oral 1-Dhea at this point. Considering cracking open a bottle of s23 I’ve had sitting around. Gained 10lbs on that stuff last time. Just trying to stay away from methyls for a while.
 

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