1-Andro OTC PCT

Anabaholic said:
Sure, but I can't imagine the company selling it would want to go after someone for that, and even if they did want to, they would never be able to prove you did it, and even if you admitted to it, you paid for it, they have no actual damages. I think at best, they would be able to ban you from buying from then again.

But the real question would be if you bought something labeled not for human consumption at a supplement store, would the breach of contract be on the supplement store because it's implied that a supplement store sells supplements and not research chemicals?
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I don't think I've ever seen a supplement website (definitely not a brick and mortor store) that sells compounds labled "not for human consumption" next to dietary supplements. If a company does sell products labled "for research only", it's usually through a separate vendor website. This is, of course based on what only I have seen.

There is probably some sort of legal reason for companies operating in this way.
 
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123123 said:
Understood, thanks for clarification. At this time, I am not aware of a DT or ban on any legally consumable supplements.


This would be fine for most people but not in my case as violating any substance consumption laws is not an option.
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Is your decision of it not being an option based on moral grounds, fear of getting caught, religious reasons, worrying about potential consequences with your career? Just curious to know why.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Is your decision of it not being an option based on moral grounds, fear of getting caught, religious reasons, worrying about potential consequences with your career? Just curious to know why.
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Code of honor. I don't oppose illegal compound use morally or religiously. But in this situation, I have a duty to follow directed guidelines, and tell the truth. If I can't demonstrate that I can do this, I have no business being there or applying at this point in time.
 
123123 said:
Thank you for the polite response. I really appreciate that. As far as the job is concerned, they will find out. Zero question about it. No testing, but if it's legal, it's ok in their book. Forgive me if I don't understand the meaning of DT. I can't answer that question until I do.

130 mg a day Chosen-1 or 130 mg a day Steel supplements 1-andro (recommended dose).

Another OTC supp I'm looking at is E. Cottoni which has outperformed tamoxifen in breast tumor suppression and been shown to act as an effective hormone modulater in the three studies titled:

Changes in rats’ breast tumor ultrastructure and immune and messenger RNA responses caused by dietary Seaweed (Kappaphycus alvarezii) extract

Polyphenol-rich seaweed (Eucheuma cottonii) extract suppresses breast tumour via hormone modulation and apoptosis induction

Comparison of tamoxifen with edible seaweed (Eucheuma cottonii L.) extract in suppressing breast tumor

The opposing argument would be that they were performed on rats. I'm unaware of any human trials that have been performed. However there appear to have been bloods posted on this website to demonstrate it's effectiveness (in addition to Letrone, an AI).

Title (on AM website)
Post PH blood test results - PCT Black Lion Rebirth + Letrone

Vujades BLR Rebirth Log - its time to get the boyz back!
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I can chime in on this, last winter I did a cycle of 1 andro/androsterone/4 andro at about 200mg each for 6 weeks, pct was abit "overkill' for these seasoned fellas, for 4 weeks it was done and pct was for 8 weeks no bloods so I cant tell you without a shadow of a doubt but, I will tell you this boners are constant well being is ok and nuts are not shrunken little skittles lol. forgot to mention the pct I did was otc, no gyno and no ed. take my advise with a grain of salt, you need to know your body and how well It adapts. best of luck homie!
 
Rad83 said:
Did you have results? 200mg is not fully dosed...
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I gained a total of 10 pounds in the run and kept 7 which were lbm. I take people's advise as a grain of salt in this place , most men/woman have years of experience here and have burned out their androgen receptors or their hpta is just screwed as he'll that's why low doses don't mitigate results nor short cycles. Just my 2 cents.
 
Wolfhound123 said:
I gained a total of 10 pounds in the run and kept 7 which were lbm. I take people's advise as a grain of salt in this place , most men/woman have years of experience here and have burned out their androgen receptors or their hpta is just screwed as he'll that's why low doses don't mitigate results nor short cycles. Just my 2 cents.
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We give advice based on optimun results (and hopefully safety).
 
Renew1 said:
We give advice based on optimun results (and hopefully safety).
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Alcohol isnt recommended as a substance since it has no nutritional value to a human(aside from carbs). Yet we often hear let's head to the bar and get a few drinks..advise can be perceived on different levels.
 
Renew1 said:
We give advice based on optimun results (and hopefully safety).
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Also best to whom or to what scenario, it's different to just about any one , new "gear" user 1mg can supply gains but two a seasoned gear user he would have to up the dosage 10 times fold to get any result.
 
Wolfhound123 said:
Also best to whom or to what scenario, it's different to just about any one , new "gear" user 1mg can supply gains but two a seasoned gear user he would have to up the dosage 10 times fold to get any result.
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Seasoned vets (such as myself) take into consideration your personal experience level before offering advice.
...the same way I do with you, and others.
 
Wolfhound123 said:
Alcohol isnt recommended as a substance since it has no nutritional value to a human(aside from carbs). Yet we often hear let's head to the bar and get a few drinks..advise can be perceived on different levels.
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That's true. There are many members on here whose advice I highly value. That's why I'm here.
If you haven't found the same thing here, maybe you should look elsewhere.
But I'm telling you.. Overall, you'll get better advice here than anywhere else.
Often, it isn't the advice that is faulty, but the person receiving (or not receiving) it.
 
123123 said:
I don't think I've ever seen a supplement website (definitely not a brick and mortor store) that sells compounds labled "not for human consumption" next to dietary supplements. If a company does sell products labled "for research only", it's usually through a separate vendor website. This is, of course based on what only I have seen.

There is probably some sort of legal reason for companies operating in this way.
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A lot of mom and pop supplement stores do, I bet if you look around, you'll find a couple in or near your town.
 
Wolfhound123 said:
I gained a total of 10 pounds in the run and kept 7 which were lbm. I take people's advise as a grain of salt in this place , most men/woman have years of experience here and have burned out their androgen receptors or their hpta is just screwed as he'll that's why low doses don't mitigate results nor short cycles. Just my 2 cents.
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Sounds like you’re ok with wasting time and money, but that’s just my 2 cents as a guy who’s been and done everything most newbies want to try, when I was new.

You gained 10lbs in a month. 3 of it was fat.

Sounds like a natty with less than five years of serious heavy training to me. No steroids required for those gains.


This is why I take the things newbies say here with a grain of salt, because they don’t usually even need steroids to get good results, and half the results they get are just from actually being on point for once in their lives.
 
I gained 63lbs in three months last year on laxogenin @ 600mg per day.

Was it the laxogenin or was it the fact that I had been away from bodybuilding for a decade?
 
Old Witch said:
Sounds like you’re ok with wasting time and money, but that’s just my 2 cents as a guy who’s been and done everything most newbies want to try, when I was new.

You gained 10lbs in a month. 3 of it was fat.

Sounds like a natty with less than five years of serious heavy training to me. No steroids required for those gains.


This is why I take the things newbies say here with a grain of salt, because they don’t usually even need steroids to get good results, and half the results they get are just from actually being on point for once in their lives.
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Your assuming way too much in this comment. 1. Assumed my fat/muscle ratio without knowing who I am. And 2. My years of experience in training. Again without knowing who I am..perhaps your gifted in aquireing knowledge thru mere words. Interesting!
 
Wolfhound123 said:
Your assuming way too much in this comment. 1. Assumed my fat/muscle ratio without knowing who I am. And 2. My years of experience in training. Again without knowing who I am..perhaps your gifted in aquireing knowledge thru mere words. Interesting!
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Acquiring knowledge through words is called learning.

You should try it.
 
Wolfhound123 said:
I gained a total of 10 pounds in the run and kept 7 which were lbm. I take people's advise as a grain of salt in this place , most men/woman have years of experience here and have burned out their androgen receptors or their hpta is just screwed as he'll that's why low doses don't mitigate results nor short cycles. Just my 2 cents.
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Unless you did a DEXA scan or compared some other type of measurements, it's hard to say how much was lbm; if you have some pictures you should share em.

It's fine to take people's advice with a grain of salt; most youngsters don't take constructive criticism very well anyway, they come on here wanting a pat on the back and reaffirming their own decisions.

10 times out of 10 the veterans will recommend an actual PCT for your own safety; nobodies gonna lose sleep if you want to risk ruining your HPTA. If you're young, of course you'll bounce back after ONE cycle, but keep it up and it's a very risky habit to fall into.

And you should've done an actual PCT(even though you did an underdosed cycle) and gotten blood-work; rookie mistake not to do both. Going by feel is irresponsible and unscientific.

Just my 2 cents.
 
i think its interesting to see people do Their "proven methods" and then somehow after pct and more their blood work looking great but feeling like a total turd. I rather go by feel then by how good numbers look on paper. I rather feel good, libido high then feeling like **** and having a forum member telling me ill feel better one day, sorry youll have to do trt.
 
Anabaholic said:
Sure, but I can't imagine the company selling it would want to go after someone for that, and even if they did want to, they would never be able to prove you did it, and even if you admitted to it, you paid for it, they have no actual damages. I think at best, they would be able to ban you from buying from then again.

But the real question would be if you bought something labeled not for human consumption at a supplement store, would the breach of contract be on the supplement store because it's implied that a supplement store sells supplements and not research chemicals?
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Anabaholic said:
A lot of mom and pop supplement stores do, I bet if you look around, you'll find a couple in or near your town.
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If this is the case, then this is a very good question. Does anyone have the answer?
 
There are definitely stores and sites that resell Research products right next to supplements. For sure.
 
Old Witch said:
There are definitely stores and sites that resell Research products right next to supplements. For sure.
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That doesn't answer his question though (question was: "if you bought something labeled not for human consumption at a supplement store, would the breach of contract be on the supplement store because it's implied that a supplement store sells supplements and not research chemicals?")

According to what I've seen, in the case of MA supps (unless you're referring to someone else), they have a different website for products labeled as dietary supplements and research chemicals. That being said, I don't know for a fact that there aren't exceptions.

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Rad83 said:
OP, have you run the 1-andro yet?
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I wouldn't assume it's an inevitability. I'd have to first establish probability for OCT PCT success, and best options before committing to it, which I haven't received definite answers to. So far a lot of the answers I've gotten have been rather extreme, on one end or the other. But a few have also been more nuanced and helpful.

Some of Witch's suggestions regarding some alternative options appear to also be legal and appear to have a higher probability of success and gain/loss ratio. I might end up going with those in the meantime; or permanently.
 
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