1-Andro or Dermacine?

jgntyce

jgntyce

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Looking for a test base with little to no estrogen side effects and no bloating for use during a PH cycle. What do you all recommend?
 
jgntyce said:
thanks but I'll get 1-andro
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Biggest issues with a cycle is libido and lethargy, 4-andro will help mitigate those issues. Libido will eventually still get shot down though, but lethargy should be well avoided. Since it converts to test, it can also aromatize, which is a good thing especially when running it with a dry compound. Estrogen conversion still shouldn't be a big issue if you keep the 4-dhea/andro moderate.

You take 1-andro, it's likely not going to do squat for lethargy and it's going to be zero help for libido. If anything, it can cause even more lethargy.

Best test base is going to be 4-dhea/andro stacked with stano, this provides you with some amount of test + some amount of DHT, so now you're targeting shutdown sides from two major directions.

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1-Andro isn't a test base. You really want 4-DHEA or Stano/EpiAndro or Dermacrine.

Like Kissdadookie said...
 
bomb said:
glad i ordered 2 bottles hehe
lets see how it works with some hdrol
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Probably works better than the 4-dhea we have in the states, since it's a 1-step conversion rather than a 2-step where the 1-step conversion can aromatize in and of itself before converting to test (which is of course ok when stacking it with dry compounds, since in that scenario, you do want the estrogen conversion).
 
yeah I will be running 8 weeks hdrol with moderate or even high dosed androtest + Transform and some extra arimistane.

I intentionally wanted to run hdrol/trest but wanted to take some time off of 19nors and their strong suppression
maybe Ill start a small log when the goodies arrive; anyway the Reviews Sound promising regarding the andro...
 
bomb said:
yeah I will be running 8 weeks hdrol with moderate or even high dosed androtest + Transform and some extra arimistane.

I intentionally wanted to run hdrol/trest but wanted to take some time off of 19nors and their strong suppression
maybe Ill start a small log when the goodies arrive; anyway the Reviews Sound promising regarding the andro...
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Don't high dose androtest, there's no need plus most of it will just convert to estrogen. Moderate dosing of 4-dhea or in your case, 4-andro is recommended since you're only using it as a test and estrogen base.
 
kissdadookie said:
Don't high dose androtest, there's no need plus most of it will just convert to estrogen. Moderate dosing of 4-dhea or in your case, 4-andro is recommended since you're only using it as a test and estrogen base.
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alrighty , i was thinking of 4 caps and suggested use is 3 caps/day. wanted to go up to 5 but that would be too expensive and I want my testbase throughout the whole cycle.
I did a hdrol only cycle 1 year ago and was lethargic as fuark
 
bomb said:
alrighty , i was thinking of 4 caps and suggested use is 3 caps/day. wanted to go up to 5 but that would be too expensive and I want my testbase throughout the whole cycle.
I did a hdrol only cycle 1 year ago and was lethargic as fuark
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50 mg caps? If so, that should be fine. 3 would be fine actually for a test base.
 
1 andro is not a test base, if anything it will do all the opposite things a test base should. You want a 4ad type compound or derma.
 
8 weeks hdrol + androtest ( is it 4 andro now ? It claims that its not 4-DHEA tho) +transform + arimistane +tudca
 
bomb said:
8 weeks hdrol + androtest ( is it 4 andro now ? It claims that its not 4-DHEA tho) +transform + arimistane +tudca
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Yeah, no need for the AIs. Halo doesn't aromatize, it's going to suppress you, and the 4-andro/AD (androtest, in the US, it's all 4-dhea because the ADs have been banned for years now) isn't going to give you a crazy amount of test anyway (just enough for you to ward off lethargy, etc.).
 
Does the title not say 1-Andro or Dermacine?
 
Very sorry disregard my post
 
did I get confused and bought just expensive 4-dhea from fusion called androtest?! LOL
I thought AMS 4AD (4DHEA) is not the same as Fusion Anndrotest ( banned in the us 4Diol or cyclo 4AD).

So could anyone please correct me if I am wrong now ... ;)
 
bomb said:
did I get confused and bought just expensive 4-dhea from fusion called androtest?! LOL
I thought AMS 4AD (4DHEA) is not the same as Fusion Anndrotest ( banned in the us 4Diol or cyclo 4AD).

So could anyone please correct me if I am wrong now ... ;)
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Nah, 4-dhea is 2 steps to test. 4-AD (androtest) is a 1 step. Theoretically you have the better stuff :D
 
derekantos said:
Ehh its highly unlikely. I'm not going to run superdoses, but I'll see how it treats me.
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Whatever doses you're running it at are still probably higher than clinical doses they intended to use it for as a male contraceptive. Lulz. It's likely to make you infertile only temporarily though...
 
kissdadookie said:
Whatever doses you're running it at are still probably higher than clinical doses they intended to use it for as a male contraceptive. Lulz. It's likely to make you infertile only temporarily though...
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Yeah I've always known about that. Though, you make me worry again haha. I got it for so cheap anyway. Probably get some more 4-ad because it worked really well with me. Then decide when I start the cycle in a month
 
derekantos said:
Yeah I've always known about that. Though, you make me worry again haha. I got it for so cheap anyway. Probably get some more 4-ad because it worked really well with me. Then decide when I start the cycle in a month
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Hey, on the bright side, the trest will add to the gains from whatever else you're running it with! :D
 
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