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1 Andro/Epiandro Cycle Log W/ Pics! Please Critique.

ZachH said:
Definitely helps brother. I know i have some products at home with decent amount of taurine in it. I guess on leg day from now on (today is leg day!) ill be using 1 1/2 scoops SNS Focus XT + double scoop of one of my highest taurine dosed supps + 20mg noopept and see if that helps my squats. Because my lower back was killing me last week for squats and never put 2 and 2 together to realize what was going on

Does that mean i should not take X gels on leg day or deadlift day? That would kinda suck if i had to stop taking them just for those days as this is my first ever x gel run
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Wow! Back pumps + XGels. That just sounds like a bad mixture. In my opinion you should be saving the natty anabolic stuff for PCT.
 
elo76 said:
Wow! Back pumps + XGels. That just sounds like a bad mixture. In my opinion you should be saving the natty anabolic stuff for PCT.
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Already got too much else going on in PCT lol xgels arent expensive so after reading a few articles i read ARA is a great addition to any PH run. Ill just leave it out on leg day and deadlift day i guess or tough it out with taurine ill experiment and find out today
 
Best of luck Zach. Also, by taking 3 weeks to kick in do you mean the beginning or end of week 3? Like 15 days or 22 days in
 
MrManlet said:
If you feel you're leveling off, have you considered upping the 1andro to 440?
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Definitely not leveling off lol only had 1 week of using it while its been kicked in. Im expecting each week to keep improving the next 4 weeks! But no im staying at 330
 
ZachH said:
Oh yeah forgot to mention only negative side is what i think to be bad back pumps? Never experienced it before i thought i just must have overworked my lower back but then i remembered i read about a side affect called back pumps.. Basically feels like my lower/middle back is super "tight" and its annoying but definitely not terrible enough to say it isnt tolerable
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Yep. Them kidneys hard at work.

I've been getting them too, but they're pretty mild. Didn't even get any until week five. Not **** compared to what I got on DMZ lol
 
elo76 said:
But did you get better results with DMZ vs 1 Andro?
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Tbh my diet was really not on point during my DMZ run, so I didn't get as much size as I could have. But the strength gains I got on it were almost unparalleled.

The andros have been all right, nothing crazy. Vascularity's been legit.

I mean, the andros are two-step prohormones - DMZ's an active anabolic in itself, so not really comparable.
 
Gains are still coming along amazing! Today was deadlift day and got all new PR's and the bar was moving much faster through my reps. My old PR for 315 on deadlifts was 6 reps, today i did 3 sets 6 reps 315 and then on my last set got 11 reps at 315!! Felt amazing. So then i had to jump up to 365 for the first time ever and pulled it no problem.. Not much but it was after a lot of volume. Did 9 sets total before i did 365. My weight is still at 202 and im looking lean and very full. Up 14 lbs since i started my cycle and today is day 36! Crazy how fast its going...

But i already got my next msten cycle ready lol ;)
 
ZachH said:
Gains are still coming along amazing! Today was deadlift day and got all new PR's and the bar was moving much faster through my reps. My old PR for 315 on deadlifts was 6 reps, today i did 3 sets 6 reps 315 and then on my last set got 11 reps at 315!! Felt amazing. So then i had to jump up to 365 for the first time ever and pulled it no problem.. Not much but it was after a lot of volume. Did 9 sets total before i did 365. My weight is still at 202 and im looking lean and very full. Up 14 lbs since i started my cycle and today is day 36! Crazy how fast its going...

But i already got my next msten cycle ready lol ;)
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Lol welcome to the addiction.
 
Subbed.
Keep updating this when PCT starts and ends. I am very interested to know the gains you will be able to keep post the PH cycle.
 
Day 39... Just had a 2.25 hour chest/shoulders/traps session and once again, ALL NEW PR'S BABY!! Last week for chest I hit 90's on incline for sets of 7,7,6 after a lot of lighter higher rep sets and today after one set of 90's i busted out the 100's for the first time ever and got 2 sets of 5 after 7 lighter high rep sets!!!

And crushed shoulders as well... Sick @$$ pump for sure. Did 7 sets of dumbbell traps with 120 lb dumbbells sets of 30 reps bringing them all the way up to my ears trying to raise that peak while on cycle!

Overall loving my steady progress after being at a plateua for quite some time.
 
ZachH said:
Day 39... Just had a 2.25 hour chest/shoulders/traps session and once again, ALL NEW PR'S BABY!! Last week for chest I hit 90's on incline for sets of 7,7,6 after a lot of lighter higher rep sets and today after one set of 90's i busted out the 100's for the first time ever and got 2 sets of 5 after 7 lighter high rep sets!!!

And crushed shoulders as well... Sick @$$ pump for sure. Did 7 sets of dumbbell traps with 120 lb dumbbells sets of 30 reps bringing them all the way up to my ears trying to raise that peak while on cycle!

Overall loving my steady progress after being at a plateua for quite some time.
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How many mgs of 4 andro and epi you taking?
Any sides? Like estrogen
 
Day 44. Upped the epiandro to 1250 a couple days ago and keeping my pre workout dose at 750mg the rest of cycle. Love it!! Hit shoulders yesterday and crushed all new pr's.. Before my cycle most i ever DB shoulder pressed was 60's and 65 if i was feeling strong that day... Well yesterday i hit 75's x 8 and then 80's x 5 reps!!! Crazy ive never been this strong feels amazing. Still lean in my belly with visible abs and up to 204 lbs so im up 16 LBS in body weight in 44 days!
 
Bestia956 said:
How many mgs of 4 andro and epi you taking?
Any sides? Like estrogen
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4 andro 220 mg a day 1 andro 330mg a day and epiandro 1250mg a day. No sides at all besides feeling like a beast and some water retention. Im taking SNS inhibit E as well though to keep any estro sides at bay.

Wont be needing a pharma AI this go around, but i have Nos labs 6 bromo and Exemestane on hand for future cycles
 
Look forward to following this! I start 1-andro (Super mandro) and epiandro (anabolic trinity) on Monday. Similar stats, 5' 9" 190, but sitting at 16% bf roughly. Looking for a recomp. Hopefully maintain body weight and just drop fat.

Besides the normal preworkout and protein, I'm wondering if it's worth the time to take creatine too? Not sure how strict I'll run my diet, which I know is probably the most important factor.

Thanks for the preview on what to expect! Hoping I experience similar results! I'm still along for the ride with you
 
Gclapp92 said:
Look forward to following this! I start 1-andro (Super mandro) and epiandro (anabolic trinity) on Monday. Similar stats, 5' 9" 190, but sitting at 16% bf roughly. Looking for a recomp. Hopefully maintain body weight and just drop fat.

Besides the normal preworkout and protein, I'm wondering if it's worth the time to take creatine too? Not sure how strict I'll run my diet, which I know is probably the most important factor.

Thanks for the preview on what to expect! Hoping I experience similar results! I'm still along for the ride with you
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There is no solid reason for ever stopping creatine. Keep using it. As you indicated, your diet is 100% the most important thing.

I'm on a similar cycle right now (1, 4, epi), and I've only put on about 3 pounds since I started just over three weeks ago because I've been in a deficit. My BF has dropped considerably (I'd say about 2-3%), but I've already set PRs for flat bench and DL.

With the exception of the possible effect caffiene has on some people's BP on cycle (it hasn't raised mine at all so far), I would continue taking all of your normal support supps.
 
ZachH said:
4 andro 220 mg a day 1 andro 330mg a day and epiandro 1250mg a day. No sides at all besides feeling like a beast and some water retention. Im taking SNS inhibit E as well though to keep any estro sides at bay.

Wont be needing a pharma AI this go around, but i have Nos labs 6 bromo and Exemestane on hand for future cycles
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Wat are you using for estrogen ?
Are you using some estrogen blocker?
I'm know u said u don't need a pharma AI
 
Progress is still on point!!! Yesterday was a heavy back day, got a new PR of 365 x 3 on close feet deadlifts. 2 weeks ago i failed on my 2nd rep attempt at 365 deadlift and before cycle failed at a 1 rep attempt at 365. So strength is increasing fast and so is entire body muscle mass! Staying lean and up to 207 lbs from 189. So up about 18 LBS fo far. Looking full and bigger more vascular than ive ever been. Cant wait to dry out in PCT and shed some of this water to really see my progress. Libido still strong, still get daily urges to pound the pud and have good sex with the wifey still. Hoping it stays up through PCT. Overall had a great experience so far but sadly only have about 4 more days.

Already stocked up on so many goodies for future runs though :) OG halodrol, mithras, boladiol, m sten, oral trest, dermatrest, OL super DHEA, more epiandro, NOS androsterone TD and NOS 6 bromo plus exemestane and more clomid/nolva.
 
Glad to hear you're responding so well to these substances. I suppose it's because it's your first cycle and your androgen receptors are fresh as ****. I, unfortunately, am not responding superbly to the same substances. Maybe it's because you're running 4 andro with it as well? Can't be sure. What does everyone think of expanding a 1andro/ epiandro cycle to 12 weeks and adding 4 andro?
 
MrManlet said:
Glad to hear you're responding so well to these substances. I suppose it's because it's your first cycle and your androgen receptors are fresh as ****. I, unfortunately, am not responding superbly to the same substances. Maybe it's because you're running 4 andro with it as well? Can't be sure. What does everyone think of expanding a 1andro/ epiandro cycle to 12 weeks and adding 4 andro?
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How far are you into your run?
 
MrManlet said:
About 5 weeks in, and lethargic
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Usually people suggest 8 weeks max. 12 wouldnt kill you, just would cause that much more suppression and recovery. My lethargy only lasted for a minute the last few weeks i havent had any sides at all!! Besides feeling like a beast and slight water retention its just straight gains. Probably because its my first cycle like you said.
 
Well I'll use the next 3 weeks to research what people have said and had happen with 12 week cycles, though I don't think I've found much on it with a quick search
 
MrManlet said:
Well I'll use the next 3 weeks to research what people have said and had happen with 12 week cycles, though I don't think I've found much on it with a quick search
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The reason I asked the question is because the 4 andro would take some time to kick in.
 
Day 4 of PCT coming to an end and still crushing PR's!!! For PCT im running the following:

Clomid 50/25/25/12.5
Blr Rebirth 1/1/1/1/2/2
Olympus Labs Testify PRO (20G scoop version!)
Mk677 10mg a night
BLR Follidrone 2.0
Olympus Labs tr1umph
BPS Sustain Alpha Topical
Hi Tech Arimiplex w/ 75mg arimistane to help dry out for the beach in 2 weeks
Olympus Labs Dermastr3ngth 200mg/day

Strength continuing to go up, leaning out and dropping water weight i was holding onto from cycle, and feeling awesome so far! Libido STRONG too. Loved the entire cycle weight went from 188 to currently sitting at 205. And almost no fat gain. Will post pics soon. Heres one from on cycle Invalid Link Removed
 
ZachH said:
Day 4 of PCT coming to an end and still crushing PR's!!! For PCT im running the following:

Clomid 50/25/25/12.5
Blr Rebirth 1/1/1/1/2/2
Olympus Labs Testify PRO (20G scoop version!)
Mk677 10mg a night
BLR Follidrone 2.0
Olympus Labs tr1umph
BPS Sustain Alpha Topical
Hi Tech Arimiplex w/ 75mg arimistane to help dry out for the beach in 2 weeks
Olympus Labs Dermastr3ngth 200mg/day

Strength continuing to go up, leaning out and dropping water weight i was holding onto from cycle, and feeling awesome so far! Libido STRONG too. Loved the entire cycle weight went from 188 to currently sitting at 205. And almost no fat gain. Will post pics soon. Heres one from on cycle Invalid Link Removed
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Good job man. I wish I had the same results that you did.
 
Day 15 of PCT. still CRUSHING old pr's, strength/hardness going up daily ! Bodyweight slowly going down just a tiny bit and looking more defined from dropping water weight. Libido strong everything good baby. Loving life haha
 
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