1-Andro/Epi questions/feedback

[kroggh]

Hi guys,
I'm about to start a cycle of 1-Andro/Epi-andro. I have never tried prohormones before and therefore need some help.

I'm running Tamoxifen along with some OTC product for PCT.
Is 20 mg per day of Tamoxifen for two weeks and then 10 mg each day for another two weeks enough for this cycle?
Also my Tamoxifen from Teva expired on 19th of June 2019. Can i still use this or will it have no effect?

My cycle support contains saw palmetto which is often used for blocking DHT (as i understand) will that eliminate the effect of the Epiandrosterone?

I'm planning on spacing out 1-andro/epi this way: Thoughts?
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Anything else i need to be aware of?
Thanks for feedback/answers in advance!!

 

[blynch1]

I did the same cycle (Super Mandro/Stano Plex 300) about 3-4 months ago. From my experience, you don’t really need cycle supports for how soft this cycle is. You aren’t running anything methylated or anything real harmful, however if you want to to feel better in your head then go for it- won’t do any harm. This was my first cycle as well and I gained quite a bit of mass, but mostly due to it being my first.

Links aren’t working for me, so dose the 1 Andro at 330mg+/ Epi at 900mg+ for 8 weeks. All I can really say is Epi is not strong enough at all to combat the lethargy/libido loss from the 1 Andro so if you’re gonna stick with it then you better get some Cialis. Way better off with 4 Andro. The only real positive I got from the Epi I chose was the inclusion of Vaso6.

As for the Tamox, I‘ve only ran Clomid but I believe Tamox is more potent, so you don’t need as much mg per mg as Clomid (for this cycle I ran 50/25/25/12.5). I’ll let someone with experience chime in on that part. I wouldn’t worry about the exp. date, especially since it was only about 5 months ago.

These 1/4 Andro cycles get expensive quick so be prepared to dump a hefty amount on it. There’s better options out there IMO in regards to PH, not to mention AAS. Good luck

 

[kroggh]

I did the same cycle (Super Mandro/Stano Plex 300) about 3-4 months ago. From my experience, you don’t really need cycle supports for how soft this cycle is. You aren’t running anything methylated or anything real harmful, however if you want to to feel better in your head then go for it- won’t do any harm. This was my first cycle as well and I gained quite a bit of mass, but mostly due to it being my first.

Links aren’t working for me, so dose the 1 Andro at 330mg+/ Epi at 900mg+ for 8 weeks. All I can really say is Epi is not strong enough at all to combat the lethargy/libido loss from the 1 Andro so if you’re gonna stick with it then you better get some Cialis. Way better off with 4 Andro. The only real positive I got from the Epi I chose was the inclusion of Vaso6.

As for the Tamox, I‘ve only ran Clomid but I believe Tamox is more potent, so you don’t need as much mg per mg as Clomid (for this cycle I ran 50/25/25/12.5). I’ll let someone with experience chime in on that part. I wouldn’t worry about the exp. date, especially since it was only about 5 months ago.

These 1/4 Andro cycles get expensive quick so be prepared to dump a hefty amount on it. There’s better options out there IMO in regards to PH, not to mention AAS. Good luck

Thanks for your input, Blynch. Highly appreciate it.
I currently have hold on two bottles of 1-Testosterone from Hi-Tech and two bottles of Epi-Andro t0 from LG sciences. Which i had planned to space out this way to keep som lenght on the cycle:
But i can see that especially my Epi is way underdosed compared to your cycle.

How bad was the lethargy? Did it affect your everyday life or mainly your training sessions?
Also how bad was the loss of libido? Not able to get erection?

My main reason for chosing Epi over 4-Andro was because i understood it as it did not aromatise like 4-Andro.

1-Testosterone
Week	Monday	Tuesday	Wednesday	Thursday	Friday	Saturday	Sunday
1	220	220	220	220	220	220	220
2	220	220	220	220	220	220	220
3	220	220	220	220	220	220	220
4	220	220	220	220	220	220	330
5	330	330	330	330	330	330	330
6	330	330	330	330	330	330	330
7	330	330	330	330	330	330	330

Epi-Andro
Week	Monday	Tuesday	Wednesday	Thursday	Friday	Saturday	Sunday
1	150	150	150	150	150	150	150
2	150	150	150	150	150	150	150
3	150	150	200	200	200	200	200
4	200	200	200	200	200	200	200
5	200	200	200	200	200	200	200
6	200	200	200	200	200	200	200
7	200	200	200	200	200	200	200

 

[blynch1]

You definitely need to have the 1 Andro AT LEAST 330mg/ day and Epi 900mg+. This is the recommended dosage stated by many that run these compounds.. 4 Andro is “Wet”, however it acts as a much better “test base” than Epi IMO. I fight through lethargy so that wasn’t a huge factor, but yes by about 3.5-4 weeks in I was totally limp and had ZERO desire for sex. My desire is very high typically so that was a huge issue for the miss and myself. All I really cared to do was lift. I chose CEL Stano Plex because they had a deal going that was like $75 for two bottles, which made it easy to run at the recommended mg and also get a dose of Vaso6 (600mg Epi/ 300mg Vaso6 per dose). But, it still didn’t make a difference. It’s simply not strong enough.
Also, oral Test is pretty useless from my understanding. As I said before, these beginner cycles with these compounds get expensive quick to run properly.

 

[Whisky]

Yeah @blynch1 got you covered here bro. My first cycle a while back was 1/4/epiandro, even the inclusion of 4 andro wasn’t really enough to combat the lethargy fully and you are way way underdosing that epi. Absolutely gotta be 800+ imo. I ended up finding 1,000 to be my sweet spot.

I liked it as a cycle but way more expensive than pinning the good stuff

 

[Rad83]

Another vote for everything the bros above said...This was my first cycle as well.