1-AD -- The Reference Point Thread

Strateg0s

Registered User
In response to the continual flood of questions asked around this board, I am starting this thread to serve as a one-stop quick reference for those who are planning to use 1-AD - a feedback magnet. I realize that there are a number of journals already available, but I don't have the time to bring together all of that information if I had to do it all by myself. If everyone would contribute their own experiences here, others will be able to benefit greatly by being able to quickly survey the experiences of many, and they can take into consideration the up-to-date discussion of the consensus reached from these contributions, including recommendations. I will maintain a summary of this information in the first post.

The form of response from contributors which would be most helpful for the compilation of valuable information would be something like what follows (but please PM me if you have suggestions for improving this). I implore you, out of gratitude for anything you've learned here at AnabolicsMinds to do everyone else a favor, by spending five minutes to convey what happened during your cycle.

1-AD Questionnaire
1. What was your LBM and total weight before starting 1-AD?
2. How close are you to what you think is your natural/genetic potential?
3. Do you seem to need (much) more or less anabolics than other people?
4. At what dose of 1-AD did you realize the best results?
5. If applicable, what dose did you notice was too high, or too many side-effects?
6. If applicable, what dose did you feel was insufficient to realize gains?
7. Besides muscle growth, what were the side-effects for you, physical and/or psychological, positive and/or negative?
8. For how long did you run 1-AD, and at what dose?
9. What was your LBM and total weight after finishing 1-AD?
10. If you were running 1-AD as part of a stack, what else did you use?
11. Briefly, if you used other non-anabolic supplements which you feel contributed to the results of your cycle, what were they?
12. Evaluate the role of 1-AD in the success of your cycle. How much do you attribute your results to 1-AD, as opposed to other supplements, anabolic or otherwise?
13. For the record, what is your age, and are you ecto, endo, meso or what?
14. If you've also used M1T or some form of 1-test, how much do you think it would take to give comparable results to those you got from 1-AD? Or is there just no comparison?
(If you have a cycle journal, link to it)

If this thread gets a lot of contributions and traffic in the coming weeks and months, it should prove very helpful. Due to the impending ban, I encourage you to post even early impressions and results, and these can be updated as you go. Contributors can edit and re-edit their original post as they learn more, and it would be especially helpful if they add information from later cycles.

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I am surprised anyone still uses it, i know it its a big seller with everyone but price wise i didnt think it was worth it?
 
Designer Supps said:
I am surprised anyone still uses it, i know it its a big seller with everyone but price wise i didnt think it was worth it?
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Yeah, but its:
1) widely available in shops
2) oral, easy to take as candy
3) cheaper than 1,4andro. Altough i prefer the latter, sidewise.
4) it has a track of proven results. Word mouth from people who think is the only PH available ;)
 
1 ad first time

i am a newbie to this board and to prohomone use. I was intrigued when I was exposed and started to research and then dove headfirst. I used 2 1 ad caps with 1 androdiol (4ad cap 3 x daily for 22 days. For a first time user this was probably way too much but I did not know that these were as serois as they are. I thought they were just BS and marketing. I am doing pct with 6 oxo and will be getting nolvadex extreme gaspari any day.

After not working out seriously for a long time, I began the cycle. I worked out 4- 5 times per week during the cycle and experienced VISIBLE results so quickly that I was completely amazed.all the while consuming about 200 grams tops, of protein daily if I was lucky. My triceps got huge and my chest got hard. Strength increases were realized as well but could not tell if it was just from working out and getting over the start up pain or from the ph, but I think they helped because some of them were pretty big gains. Keep in mind that I do not have a massive physique, Im just an average 38 yo guy wanting to look better.

I have since learned a lot more about the prohomone cycle regimen and have been stock piling for the future.

Since being off it for 5 days now, the strneght has began to dissipate and the mass has gone a bot but the hardness remains. My next cycle will either be 4ad and norandrodiol or or the gaspari pro-turb. I will not be doing m1 t until I become much more experienced and stronger and willing to eat massive amounts. Thanks for letting me post my thoughts.
 
stratvox said:
My next cycle will either be 4ad and norandrodiol or or the gaspari pro-turb. I will not be doing m1 t until I become much more experienced and stronger and willing to eat massive amounts. Thanks for letting me post my thoughts.
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Look around, there are better alternatives than those and a couple more coming before the ban.
You may just run 1ad/4ad: its pretty good for a second cycle. Learn more about pct and how to keep your gains :)
 
Thanks!

Syr said:
Look around, there are better alternatives than those and a couple more coming before the ban.
You may just run 1ad/4ad: its pretty good for a second cycle. Learn more about pct and how to keep your gains :)
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Syr,

Thanks for the advice ! Im doing plenty of research and have been learning quite a bit. I read the article by Big Cat and im trying to read as much as I can here. Definitely want to keep the gains that I have made. I liked th 1AD but since Im predisposed to hair loss, im looking to try less androgenic products like the the nor stuff. And after reading about testicular shutdown,which I was unaware of on the first cycle, its going to be at least 8 weeks before I begin again. But, i will be stock piling a lot of different products for future use. THANKS AGAIN. Oh, and i promise not to clutter the bandwidth with questions that can be found by searching the database first! LOL
 
strateg0s i support your idea of elevating brotelligence to a slightly more organized, if not necessarily scientific pursuit...to that end:

1. What was your LBM and total weight before starting 1-AD?
254lbs total weight - no idea BM
2. How close are you to what you think is your natural/genetic potential?
currently i am very close. at my size it aint easy puttin on mass.
3. Do you seem to need (much) more or less anabolics than other people?
more
4. At what dose of 1-AD did you realize the best results?
600mg
5. If applicable, what dose did you notice was too high, or too many side-effects?
pretty side-laden at 600mg - 4-ad helps ALOT but there are still negatives you cant avoid.
6. If applicable, what dose did you feel was insufficient to realize gains?
N/A - i made gains all the way through
7. Besides muscle growth, what were the side-effects for you, physical and/or psychological, positive and/or negative?
lethargy, libido reduction (only when 4-ad was not increased alongside), severe back pumps
8. For how long did you run 1-AD, and at what dose?
6 weeks, 2 @ 300mg, 4 @ 600mg
9. What was your LBM and total weight after finishing 1-AD?
271lbs total weight - no idea BM but i'd say i gained about 1/2" on my waist
10. If you were running 1-AD as part of a stack, what else did you use?
4-ad oral @ 600mg then 900mg, 4Derm temporarily (didnt cut it)
11. Briefly, if you used other non-anabolic supplements which you feel contributed to the results of your cycle, what were they?
milk thistle, NAC, tribulus, fish oil - LOTS OF GOOD FOOD
12. Evaluate the role of 1-AD in the success of your cycle. How much do you attribute your results to 1-AD, as opposed to other supplements, anabolic or otherwise?
it was likely responsible for 15 of the 17lbs.
13. For the record, what is your age, and are you ecto, endo, meso or what?
25, meso
14. If you've also used M1T or some form of 1-test, how much do you think it would take to give comparable results to those you got from 1-AD? Or is there just no comparison?
i got much better results from 1-ad. 2 M1T-only cycles earlier this year (that were not run safely) took me from ~240 to 254
i'd like to point out that i got blood tests done after this 1-ad cycle. liver values all normal (even while on nolva and clomid). HDL ~40 (likely due to bad M1T cycles) and BP up for likely the same reason. and strateg0s you might want to reorganize this questionnaire to make it more meaningful when read in sequence.
 
Deoudes' Advice:
2 years ago, I ran 1-ad for my first cycle. The first time at 400mg with 600mg of 4-ad (ergopharm Androspray). The second time just 400mg. It is a truly awesome compound. It should be the very first PH anyone tries. Do it right, eat well, I guarantee 15lbs+ and good strength over 4weeks. I gained 21lbs in 4weeks, but I assure you not more than 13-15lbs was LBM.

My squat increased from 225 x 12 to 405 x 15. I tore a tendon in my knee in the process however. Don't get too aggressive folks! Bench and other lifts did not increase half as dramatically.


1. What was your LBM and total weight before starting 1-AD?
First Cycle: 183
Second Cycle: 204


2. How close are you to what you think is your natural/genetic potential?
I was ~65-70% to my natural potential


3. Do you seem to need (much) more or less anabolics than other people?
Less Anabolics.


4. At what dose of 1-AD did you realize the best results?
At a first cycle all you should need is 400mg.


5. If applicable, what dose did you notice was too high, or too many side-effects?
Perfect.


6. If applicable, what dose did you feel was insufficient to realize gains?
N/A


7. Besides muscle growth, what were the side-effects for you, physical and/or psychological, positive and/or negative?
Lethargy without 4-ad.


8. For how long did you run 1-AD, and at what dose?
1st cycle: 4 weeks: 400mg 1-ad, 600mg 4-ad


9. What was your LBM and total weight after finishing 1-AD?
1st cycle: 183 > 204
2nd cycle: 204 > 209


10. If you were running 1-AD as part of a stack, what else did you use?
1st cycle: 600mg 4-ad
2nd cycle: n/a


11. Briefly, if you used other non-anabolic supplements which you feel contributed to the results of your cycle, what were they?
Prolab's N-Large II (gainer)


12. Evaluate the role of 1-AD in the success of your cycle. How much do you attribute your results to 1-AD, as opposed to other supplements, anabolic or otherwise?
1-ad provided 95% of the strength gain. Less size/weight gain without the 4-ad.


13. For the record, what is your age, and are you ecto, endo, meso or what?
I was 20years old, I am an ecto(80%)-meso(20%).


14. If you've also used M1T or some form of 1-test, how much do you think it would take to give comparable results to those you got from 1-AD? Or is there just no comparison?
It is a hard comparision, because I have never cycled M1T for 4weeks. And Also, these were my first cycles.
 
de nada. Is there a m1,4add Ref. thread going?
 
1. What was your LBM and total weight before starting 1-AD? 198 lbs. 10%

2. How close are you to what you think is your natural/genetic potential? 60%

3. Do you seem to need (much) more or less anabolics than other people? Normal

4. At what dose of 1-AD did you realize the best results? 400mg

 5. If applicable, what dose did you notice was too high, or too many side-effects? 600mg

 6. If applicable, what dose did you feel was insufficient to realize gains? NA

7. Besides muscle growth, what were the side-effects for you, physical and/or psychological, positive and/or negative?

  • Around week 4 I started to feel depressed for short periods of time.
  • Also, I kinda felt like I was a bit crazy (weird thoughts)
  • Also, during week 3-4 I had a lot of trouble sleeping.
8. For how long did you run 1-AD, and at what dose?

  • Week 1 - 300mg 4AD
  • Week 2 - 600mg 4AD / 300mg 1AD
  • Week 3 - 600mg 4AD / 600mg 1AD
  • Week 4 - 900mg 4AD / 600mg 1AD
9. What was your LBM and total weight after finishing 1-AD? 211 lbs 11%

 10. If you were running 1-AD as part of a stack, what else did you use? 4AD

 11. Briefly, if you used other non-anabolic supplements which you feel contributed to the results of your cycle, what were they? Protein, Flax Oil, Fish Oil, Multi

12. Evaluate the role of 1-AD in the success of your cycle. How much do you attribute your results to 1-AD, as opposed to other supplements, anabolic or otherwise?

13. For the record, what is your age, and are you ecto, endo, meso or what?
Endo/Meso, 25y 6'3"

 14. If you've also used M1T or some form of 1-test, how much do you think it would take to give comparable results to those you got from 1-AD? Or is there just no comparison?
Have not cycled M1T.
 
1. What was your LBM and total weight before starting 1-AD? 186 @15% bf
2. How close are you to what you think is your natural/genetic potential? not close
3. Do you seem to need (much) more or less anabolics than other people? Normal

4. At what dose of 1-AD did you realize the best results? gained the whole way through. gains were rapid @ 300 mg and tapered off toward the end after I went up to 600mg.

5. If applicable, what dose did you notice was too high, or too many side-effects? 600 was a little rough.

6. If applicable, what dose did you feel was insufficient to realize gains? N/A. gained the whole way through

7. Besides muscle growth, what were the side-effects for you, physical and/or psychological, positive and/or negative?

  • Trouble Sleeping and Lethargy @ 600mg
  • Back Pumps and Acne got bad last 2 weeks
8. For how long did you run 1-AD, and at what dose?

  • Week 1 - 3 300mg w/ 600mg 4-ad
  • Week 4 - 6 600mg w/ 900mg 4-ad
9. What was your LBM and total weight after finishing 1-AD? 203 lbs 18%

10. If you were running 1-AD as part of a stack, what else did you use? 4AD

11. Briefly, if you used other non-anabolic supplements which you feel contributed to the results of your cycle, what were they? Protein, Flax Oil, CEE, Multi,food, food and more food

12. Evaluate the role of 1-AD in the success of your cycle. How much do you attribute your results to 1-AD, as opposed to other supplements, anabolic or otherwise? Most if not all. Started CEE a few days before starting cycle and had most of my gains end of week 2 through week4 so maybe some is due to CEE
13. For the record, what is your age, and are you ecto, endo, meso or what?


not sure. 31yo
14. If you've also used M1T or some form of 1-test, how much do you think it would take to give comparable results to those you got from 1-AD? Or is there just no comparison?

Have not cycled M1T.

Looking back I probably should have run @ 300 the whole cycle or ended it when lethargy got to be too much and I couldn't sleep @ 600mg. The last 2 weeks really didnt add much as most of my gains were in the first 4 weeks. I wasn't as active toward the end and i feel that it contributed to the 18% bf.
 
This is my first posting. I’m a 49 ½ year old male and work out 5 times a week. I have never taken pro hormones before but, wanted to see what all of the fuss was about. I had considered applying to one of those “longevity� clinics but, the cost was too high.



I chose the following two supplements based upon my knowledge of Chemical Engineering, considerable reading on forums such as this one and, availability.



The first week I began having feelings of “well being�. I can’t say if this was a psychological or physiological reaction. I felt like I did when I was in my late twenties. If I remember correctly: Increased stamina, much less fatigue. Sexually; more easily aroused and stronger erections.



As far as my gym routine, I can say that I needed less rest between sets and exercises, additional 10% weight load no big deal.



I had considerable concern about side effects. In actually I had ABSOULTLY NO SIDE EFFECTS! No problems sleeping, No enlargement of prostate. No trouble urinating. No stomach pains. No hair loss. No more aggressive than usual. No irritability. I did get a few pimples on my back but can’t attribute that to the supplements.



I still don’t understand why the “Administration� is so “freaked out� about these supplements. They should at least allow “us old farts� access to them. Maybe they are concerned that it will prolong our lives and don’t want us, as a burden to the Social
Security system.



Ergopharm

Norandrodiol Select 300

1-AD



1 tablets each 4 times a day with food for 5 weeks.



No change in diet. No change in Work out routine other than approximately a 10% increase in weight resistance on all exercises.



49 ½ years old.



Height



5’ 9�



Measurements were taken by a certified personal trainer before and after the 5 week period.



Body Weight

160 lbs 173 lbs



% Body Fat

17.4 17.5



Hips

36.5� 37.0�



Thigh

18� 21�



Calf

14� 15�



Waist

33� 33� (no change)



Neck

14� 15�



Arm

11.5� 12�



Chest

37� 38.5�



Shoulder

44� 48�



 
This threads been up a while but I thought I'd add my input. I really love 1ad and got some great gains off it. Right before the ban I found some sites selling it for 20 dollars a bottle and I bought 500 dollars worth. I used 1ad stacked with m1t and 500 mg of 1ad/day and 15mg m1t/day and gained 10lbs in 5 weeks. My strength increased alot but I lost alot of my gains during my off cycle. The only reason I took it was because it was legal and worked, but now why not take real anabolics since they all are considered class 3 substances.
 
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