care to back up why 1,4-andro is the most orally active ph? Not totally doubting, just curious
Well, it's true, I have no first-hand knowledge of testing, trials, etc. I only go by what I can read from what I judge to be reliable sources.
For example:
"1,4andro (1, 4-androstadiene-3, 17-Dione)
1, 4 Andro is an ideal option for those wishing to accumulate mass without the degree of water retention often seen with 4AD. It is highly anabolic with some androgenic properties, yet possesses a small conversion rate to estrogen as well. This estrogen is slight enough to ensure one remains relatively bloat-free during the cycle, yet is still receiving some of the benefits associated with estrogenic conversion. 1, 4 Andro has also earned a reputation amongst users for stimulating appetite, though the degree to which this is a strict result of the 1, 4 Andro is unclear. Users also report that, unlike 4AD for instance which is known to yield results quite quickly, 1, 4 Andro’s effects take longer (2-3 weeks) to make themselves known. It is also the most orally active PH available, and is generally not recommended for use in transdermal solutions."
-- from
What ProHormones Are And How They Work (MOD EDIT:removed author name at his request)
AND
"1,4-andro (1,4-androstadienedione) and 1,4-androdiol (1,4-androstadienediol) are both prohormones to the steroid boldenone. 1,4-andro is well known as the most orally active prohormone, with a recovery rate as high as 50%. This is because its chemical structure renders it resistant to first pass metabolism in the liver. However, unlike many other steroidal compounds, the chance of liver toxicity from oral administration is very low."
-- from "1,4-Andro Information", By David Tolson, 1fast400/Bulk Nutrition, and elsewhere online.
Having read these sorts of things concerning 1,4-Andro is why I made the statements I made.