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1-/4/Epi andro long cycle question

Mikeopsycho

Mikeopsycho

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Hey been running on my
8th week and finishing up my cycle
Of 1/4/Epi andros .

1: 440mg
4:330mg
Epi: 500mg

With an on cycle support

Endura shred (ostarine 12mg and cardarine 7mg)

All Olympus labs:

Through the 3rd-7th week had insane gains as well as pumps and my arms felt like rocks constantly 24/7.

Just wondering why on my last week I'm
Losing the pump and maybe some gains or maybe just a placebo effect ? Is there
Too much andro in my system for running long ? I was told 8-12 week cycles for the andros are fine .

Around the 6th week I did add in the endurashred ostarine and cardarine , does that do anything to gains , I would think it would
Keep them more or add more gains due to the effects .

Any opinions? Got three more days on cycle .
 
Hey man. Based on what youve said, imo there is just too many variables and the symptoms too vague to conclusively pinpoint what is actually going on. Have you been losing strength?
 
Yeah I seem to have lost some strength I do feel way more tired now as well , nausea and a little unmotivated .

I do feel as if I had better gains two weeks before , I would of thought the longer the better gains for the andros .
 
Mikeopsycho said:
Yeah I seem to have lost some strength I do feel way more tired now as well , nausea and a little unmotivated .

I do feel as if I had better gains two weeks before , I would of thought the longer the better gains for the andros .
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Could be the andros, hell could be the caradarine; Ive come across a few people that have a heck of a time running that.

Could be overreaching, too. Think this is possible? You increased weekly volume in the last 8 weeks?

Decreased kcals? Cardarine can have quite a pronounced impact on lipid and glucose utilisation.
 
My calories have stayed the same , overreaching is over training right? I haven't trained more been keeping similar routine throughout the 8 weeks here and there an extra workout or two . But I'm starting to think maybe it's the endurashred (either the ostarine or cardarine in it) because I had my fullest pumps before that . I almost have a "feel" as if I stopped my prohormone a already . Feels like it so weird .
 
I believe it is not that uncommon for your gains begin to level out about week 7-8. Likely not a major health issue, probably just your body telling you you're ready to finish up the cycle. Everyone is different and while its not crazy to run them for 12 weeks, I wouldn't say its very common.
 
Alright thanks for the input guys . Quick wiestion I have a lot of extra Endura shred left should I run that low dose into my PCT and during ?

I have nolvadex , alpha max xt for pct .
 
Your being suppressed/shut down could well be playing a role in how you are currently feeling. Also, as you yourself acknowledge, the cardarine itself could be the culprit here. Given these possibilities, Id consider it unwise to continue the endurashred into PCT.
 
No, it's quite clear what it is. It's the endurashred mixed with the cycle suppression. Cardar1ne if taken in a carb deficient diet can make you go hypo, aka less pumps, lethargy, ect. 21mg a day destroyed me. Suppression causes major lethargy too, curious as to why you're throwing endurashred in so late... you'll continue to feel this way without adding a base for the endura.
 
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