depends. how much 1test/4ad you have in your mix right now? if its around 15, and the 14andro to get your appetite up, but if you got 10-12grams in yoru transdermal, couple more grams of test or 4ad would be fine....again, you gots to tell us what you have already. if its 1-test heavy already, you might want to add the 4ad instead (etc) Sage