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  1. 270 versus 288

    You have a point there. On a sidenote, the fact that people has identified the actives inside Havoc as "epistane" doesn't really tell me a lot. There just has not been extensive research on epi. To me, both Havoc and Epistane are pretty mysterious stuff. It is not like var, for which one...

  2. 270 versus 288

    I am sort of curious. (1) what does epistane actually contain? (2) Have the logs of epistane's use just based on placebo effect? I don't think it is, which leads me to think that epistane contains something active.

  3. 270 versus 288

    I, for one, am glad that Patrick got involved. I am grateful that I got to know which legal steroid products are real and likely to work. I was so royally screwed with M-diene and some cheap M1t ripoffs.

  4. 270 versus 288

    It is good to see you. I generally don't post, but this incident involving epistane and Havoc has been just too interesting.

  5. 270 versus 288

    Reading about this Havoc/epistane has been like watching a mini-version of Monica Lewisnky congressional hearings. Some parallels: Clinton = IBE Monica Lewinsky = customers (remember, we were all wondering if Bill screwed Monica) Congressional republicans = Patrick Arnold Monica's semen...

  6. Epistane testing results

    I suppose now the question is: which Molecular weight is the compound supposed to be? PA and carcinogen says 288. kwyckemynd00 says 270. My beef with kwyckemynd00's information is that he is quoting anonymous professors to support his assertion that the OH is supposed to go away during MS...
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