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The whole thing was bound to be exposed eventually. I made a post on LinkedIn about a month ago warning about this, and them wham

check pms!

DE111 is my personal favorite probiotic

you still can't read signatures well can you? I haven't worked for Hi-Tech (who is far far more respectable than the nonsense peptides you're pushing now) since 2017 now or so. It's been quite some time.

No, no. I meant you specifically.

LOL I see not much has changed since the last time I've been around these parts

75-150mg in conjunction with caffeine

12 hour half life

I ran 1550mg/day when I ran it back in ~2008. Good stuff at that dose.

They're not affiliated with HTP anymore, however this formula sure does smell like HTP to me (I'm no longer with either company)

Its sour fresh, I just have never recognized a "vinegar" like taste to it. I'm sure if you're getting it from companies like SNS it's the real deal and pretty fresh. I wasn't saying ti shouldn't be sour/bitter, but when it gets a vinegar-like or sour fish like taste, that stuff is OLD.

that sourness is usually a sign of older raw materials. when its very fresh it shouldn't have too much flavor. bitter but nothing insane.

you cant tell if its legit without having an HPLC handy. its melting point is 145 celsius, so you could in theory at least see if its anywhere CLOSE to the real thing by starting there. but highly unlikely itll tell you much

C4 Ultimate Power is my hands down favorite and its not close

The results posted by PP seem odd to me. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see one work better than the other, but what is actually being relayed as the research here just seems...weird. The claim that it increases Nitric Oxide more effectively shows that it does so in vitro. Yet the rest...

I think it's being added to the list for some simple reasons: 1. Although it is naturally occuring (theoretically), it has never been extracted in large enough amounts to increase human consumption levels to an appreciable degree. This is a similar argument to the DMAA ruling they just finished...

no, the natural levels are insanely low and even the "high potency" extracts are still crazy low

https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/fda-stepping-in-again.309159/page-3 I went through this earlier in the year (as was posted above by jarrelt67). Read through page 3 (with 1-2 giving some insight). The deposition is irrelevant at this point. The SCIENCE shows exactly how it is...

you sir, are the real MVP here. Thank you.

this is what we're doing today? Vaccines do not use aborted fetal tissue. They use cultured cells obtained from fetal tissue. How can you possibly have done this little research on the subject yet be so willing to parrot nonsense