I think the biggest issue is not everyone takes ergonine. So PES is expecting users to stack their products which isn't always in the best interest of the consumer.
While I agree that a lot of these ppl are shady...it's called branding! That's what companies do. Should people not eat Frosted Flakes because Tony the Tiger is on the box? It's no different.
The OP says he wants something OTHER than caffeine and all I see recommended are preworkouts with caffeine by reps. Cmon people. OP try 1.5 grams of tyrosine. If you feel groggy/tired reduce it by 500mg till you find your sweet spot.
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