All I can say is I'm a believer. I ate like crap this past weekend probably about 5k cals a day between the movies candy and carmel corn, still lost 2 pounds, lol. I'm currently using noxitest, testradex and I have the Formerol lotion from Black Lion Research. Loving what I'm seeing. Will get NCG this month with the stack, I really did like how I felt when I was taking that the last time.