First cycle help please

JohDos22

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Hi, I’ve always been a skinny chap through my life, right now I am 65kg, 5”9, so I’ve decided to make the jump. Could someone look over my cycle and give me advice and feedback. Thank you.
Goal is to get to 72kg lean

16 week cycle:

100mg test every other day, I was going to have 400mg weekly over 2 injections, but instead I’ll have just under that with more injections to keep steadier levels.

Aromasin 6.25mg x 2 weekly for first 12 weeks
Then Aromasin 6.25 x 1 weekly for weeks 13-14
Then stop Aromasin for last 2 weeks.

Post cycle:

2 weeks taking nothing (week 16-18)

20mg tamoxifen daily weeks 18-20
Weeks 20-22 10mg tamoxifen

I’m also buying 40mg of Telmisartan x 100 but can’t find any advice on when to take them, so that’s also why I’m here. Thank you
 
Your problem is that your not eating enough. Steroids won’t help you with that. If you would like tips on how to gain weight, we can help with that. Until you’re able to gain and maintain weight, steroids are of no use imo. How old are you?
 
300-400 is a good first cycle, I wouldn't blindly just start taking a AI for no reason, if use it if I needed it, same with telmasartin. Don't take things for no reason. Although that dose of exemestane would be pretty forgiving for me personally. You may be ok doing that as a preventative measure. Overall Results will be mostly determined by your DIET and training. Unfortunately if you're not eating enough to grow off cycle then you're not eating enough to grow on cycle, if you don't eat enough you're just going to end up with the cosmetic effects that will disappear the second your cycles over so keep that in mind. Your goal of adding 7kg is reasonable if you eat accordingly. But at your starting size, FOOD IS DEFINITELY YOUR PROBLEM
 
^^ agree with above. Do not just take aromasin off the rip. I have had no need for an ai with test. Everyone is different though. Don’t think that drugs will make you huge either. It’s a puzzle and you need all the pieces- diet, training, rest.
 
Like mentioned it's food and training/activity. I couldn't build when I was younger because I would eat 3000 calories a day but then play basketball for hours and lift weights. As I got older and my activity slowed then it turned into a surplus of calories. For you it's either more food (and don't miss protein) or less activity. Then after you show you can build then run your cycle.
 
Like mentioned it's food and training/activity. I couldn't build when I was younger because I would eat 3000 calories a day but then play basketball for hours and lift weights. As I got older and my activity slowed then it turned into a surplus of calories. For you it's either more food (and don't miss protein) or less activity. Then after you show you can build then run your cycle.
Yes, I eat 3.2k calories but it’s just the training I do with boxing and the gym I just burn it off straight away, I’m not looking to gain crazy amounts because of weight classes in boxing anyway, but does this cycle look not stupid at least, don’t want to make any last minute silly mistakes
 
Yes, I eat 3.2k calories but it’s just the training I do with boxing and the gym I just burn it off straight away, I’m not looking to gain crazy amounts because of weight classes in boxing anyway, but does this cycle look not stupid at least, don’t want to make any last minute silly mistakes
The last minute silly mistake would be putting your body and mind through a steroid cycle and PCT so you can look a little better for a very short period of time. All the best.
 
PCT, 2 weeks take nothing? The first 2 weeks off cycle? Why
 
Yes, I eat 3.2k calories but it’s just the training I do with boxing and the gym I just burn it off straight away, I’m not looking to gain crazy amounts because of weight classes in boxing anyway, but does this cycle look not stupid at least, don’t want to make any last minute silly mistakes
It doesn't matter how much you eat, if you're not gaining you're not eating enough and it's as simple as that. I'm 50 lb heavier than you and I also box lift weights do all kinds of extreme training and I eat about 3,500 calories a day, I don't think you're consistent with your calories and if you are then the answer is still eat more food. There's never a time that the answer isn't eat more food when you're trying to gain weight, the weight you gain is determined by the amount of food you eat
 
It doesn't matter how much you eat, if you're not gaining you're not eating enough and it's as simple as that. I'm 50 lb heavier than you and I also box lift weights do all kinds of extreme training and I eat about 3,500 calories a day, I don't think you're consistent with your calories and if you are then the answer is still eat more food. There's never a time that the answer isn't eat more food when you're trying to gain weight, the weight you gain is determined by the amount of food you eat
Bro I’m not dumb, I know I can eat more to gain weight, I have a full time job and train evenings giving me a 2hr window to eat if I spent that whole time eating. I don’t want to be 50lbs heavier and fight at a weight where everyone is twice the height of me. I want to gain a small bit and look and feel better.
 
Bro I’m not dumb, I know I can eat more to gain weight, I have a full time job and train evenings giving me a 2hr window to eat if I spent that whole time eating. I don’t want to be 50lbs heavier and fight at a weight where everyone is twice the height of me. I want to gain a small bit and look and feel better.
Then what makes you think I suggested you gain 50lbs? My point apparently went over your ego.

If you look☝️ up you might be able to catch it before it flies away 🎈
 
You know one of my 3 jobs is????? Training fighters 😂 😂 😂 😂. Mainly strength and conditioning and making sure ppl make there weight class or successfully move up or down a weight class
 
Listen, all people are saying is if the only thing you do is add test you won’t succeed. You will likely weigh about the same. You might add some water weight, you might Recomp a couple lbs, you might even just lose weight if your metabolism increases. So no, you will not achieve your goals.

If you’re busy add a weight gainer shake, protein bar, meal prep. It’s possible.
 
Listen, all people are saying is if the only thing you do is add test you won’t succeed. You will likely weigh about the same. You might add some water weight, you might Recomp a couple lbs, you might even just lose weight if your metabolism increases. So no, you will not achieve your goals.

If you’re busy add a weight gainer shake, protein bar, meal prep. It’s possible.
Bingo!
 
What might help you the most is labs before so you can look at your test/est levels.

Then after cycle see where there at- AI's aren't skittles :) and way to low est is as bad as high est.

If the calorie thing is really were your struggling get a Resting Metabolic Rate test (about $100) then add 200-300 for muscle gain. Might be a better way than guessing
 
As someone who's been involved with combat sports his whole life and in the past 6-8 years I've also been more focused on building muscle and strength, I can be the first person to say how hard it is to eat enough food to grow when you're doing both types of training and in the gym six days a week sometimes 2 hours per session or multiple sessions per day. I work full-time as a painter I work part-time at night at the gym and on other nights I work part-time doing deliveries for my buddies restaurant and then I do a little bit of online coaching and rep for MA research. I am absolutely aware of how hard it can be to squeeze the food in.

But it doesn't change the fact that food is number one.

I'm sure there's a couple people in this thread right now who remember earlier this year I made a goal to Max my body weight out at 220-230 lb and break some PRS.

And guess what didn't happen, even on a full-blown steroid cycle with about a gram of gear I could not get close to my goal because the amount of training I was doing was overriding the amount of food I was eating.

Even on steroids you can't override the food and the more gear you take the more your metabolism goes up and the more food you're going to need to eat in the first place.

With all that being said, I work multiple jobs, I work well over 60 hours per week, I got two kids and six animals to take care of, outside of my 60 hours of work I also have my clients I have to respond to after hours, and I still manage to get enough food in to weigh a lean 200 lb at 5 ft 9.

But because I couldnt shovel down enough food ,215 or 225 is out of the picture. Until I can make time to get the food in.


So in my opinion here are 3 valuable tips for anyone to use when they can't get enough food in on a regular basis, and if you do these things maybe you won't waste your first steroid cycle by eating at maintenance.

Tip number 1. is to make a shake every single morning with about a thousand calories and about 1/3 of your daily protein requirements. So you're starting your day by hitting 1/3 of your macros in liquid form before you even walk out the door.

Tip #2 is eating on the move. Go to the store and get yourself some wraps, bananas and higher protein granola bars. A rap or a banana or a granola bar can all be eaten with one hand while doing whatever else it is you're doing. I used to travel two hours per day throughout my work day and having a wrap or a granola bar and a piece of fruit on every trip guarantees an extra meal.

Tip 3 is for training days only. Make sure you get a pre-workout meal of some sort in and then bring to the gym with you a carb drink. You can easily get a hundred grams of carbohydrates into a easily drinkable form. You can do it with a card powder or you can do it with Gatorade and fruit juices it doesn't really matter to me as long as you do it. You can also keep a bag of gummy bears or any type of candy made from glucose syrup and snack on those during your workouts as well. Maybe you've got 15 minute rest in between rolling and doing your heavy bag work, perfect eat a handful of gummy bears and take a sip of your carb drink.

I often will get 600 calories from carbs during my workouts.
 
As someone who's been involved with combat sports his whole life and in the past 6-8 years I've also been more focused on building muscle and strength, I can be the first person to say how hard it is to eat enough food to grow when you're doing both types of training and in the gym six days a week sometimes 2 hours per session or multiple sessions per day. I work full-time as a painter I work part-time at night at the gym and on other nights I work part-time doing deliveries for my buddies restaurant and then I do a little bit of online coaching and rep for MA research. I am absolutely aware of how hard it can be to squeeze the food in.

But it doesn't change the fact that food is number one.

I'm sure there's a couple people in this thread right now who remember earlier this year I made a goal to Max my body weight out at 220-230 lb and break some PRS.

And guess what didn't happen, even on a full-blown steroid cycle with about a gram of gear I could not get close to my goal because the amount of training I was doing was overriding the amount of food I was eating.

Even on steroids you can't override the food and the more gear you take the more your metabolism goes up and the more food you're going to need to eat in the first place.

With all that being said, I work multiple jobs, I work well over 60 hours per week, I got two kids and six animals to take care of, outside of my 60 hours of work I also have my clients I have to respond to after hours, and I still manage to get enough food in to weigh a lean 200 lb at 5 ft 9.

But because I couldnt shovel down enough food ,215 or 225 is out of the picture. Until I can make time to get the food in.


So in my opinion here are 3 valuable tips for anyone to use when they can't get enough food in on a regular basis, and if you do these things maybe you won't waste your first steroid cycle by eating at maintenance.

Tip number 1. is to make a shake every single morning with about a thousand calories and about 1/3 of your daily protein requirements. So you're starting your day by hitting 1/3 of your macros in liquid form before you even walk out the door.

Tip #2 is eating on the move. Go to the store and get yourself some wraps, bananas and higher protein granola bars. A rap or a banana or a granola bar can all be eaten with one hand while doing whatever else it is you're doing. I used to travel two hours per day throughout my work day and having a wrap or a granola bar and a piece of fruit on every trip guarantees an extra meal.

Tip 3 is for training days only. Make sure you get a pre-workout meal of some sort in and then bring to the gym with you a carb drink. You can easily get a hundred grams of carbohydrates into a easily drinkable form. You can do it with a card powder or you can do it with Gatorade and fruit juices it doesn't really matter to me as long as you do it. You can also keep a bag of gummy bears or any type of candy made from glucose syrup and snack on those during your workouts as well. Maybe you've got 15 minute rest in between rolling and doing your heavy bag work, perfect eat a handful of gummy bears and take a sip of your carb drink.

I often will get 600 calories from carbs during my workouts.
How would you make the 1000 calorie drink at home bud,I’m kind of in the same boat with food.i simply don’t eat enough,not started training yet due to the food intake because its pointless until I know I’m getting enough inside me,i probably don’t even eat 2500 a day the more calories and protein the better for me,thanks👍
 
How would you make the 1000 calorie drink at home bud,I’m kind of in the same boat with food.i simply don’t eat enough,not started training yet due to the food intake because its pointless until I know I’m getting enough inside me,i probably don’t even eat 2500 a day the more calories and protein the better for me,thanks👍
That's a silly excuse brother, you're not training because you don't eat enough? you should still be training regardless while you're fixing your diet. Training still has its benefits whether you're eating enough or not.

Two scoops of whey protein, two bananas, three tablespoons of peanut butter, and two cups of fairlife milk put that in a blender with a couple of ice cubes.

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How would you make the 1000 calorie drink at home bud,I’m kind of in the same boat with food.i simply don’t eat enough,not started training yet due to the food intake because its pointless until I know I’m getting enough inside me,i probably don’t even eat 2500 a day the more calories and protein the better for me,thanks👍
You could add 1/4 cup of avocado or olive oil to the above and then you got two 750 calorie shakes.
Need a 3rd one, add more of the above.
 
That's a silly excuse brother, you're not training because you don't eat enough? you should still be training regardless while you're fixing your diet. Training still has its benefits whether you're eating enough or not.

Two scoops of whey protein, two bananas, three tablespoons of peanut butter, and two cups of fairlife milk put that in a blender with a couple of ice cubes.

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Yeh man no excuse…had a mindset of if I’m not eating right hard training won’t be as good and pointless?…..maybe time to say FXXK IT and get the membership done and get my arse moving
 
Your cycle looks solid. I would run Aromasin on injection days instead of twice weekly for more stable estrogen control. Telmisartan 40mg in the morning works best for blood pressure. For supplies, I have been keeping an eye on roids uk for when they launch, as they seem promising.
 
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