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Tell Us What You'd Like to See From SNS, CEL, & XPG + Discussion (2026 Edition)

These may be a bit further out there than what you’d normally market, but I’d definitely buy from SNS if it was available:

  • High quality blue lotus / extract
  • More energizing / empathogenic kanna blends
  • African dream herbs? I don’t know much about it but what’s available online seems fake or sketchy

Would you ever expand your BCAA line?
There are three name brand products recently discontinued that I dearly miss, one non-stim with added Peak O2, and one mid stim with a ton of flavors, and one with carnitine, rose hips, etc for weight loss.

I would also buy a “spicy” amino acid product with paradoxine, etc.
 
N2ofusion said:
Any hints about that you’d like to share?
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Not at this stage. I'll start talking more about them as soon as flavor samples are competed.
 
N2ofusion said:
These may be a bit further out there than what you’d normally market, but I’d definitely buy from SNS if it was available:

  • High quality blue lotus / extract
  • More energizing / empathogenic kanna blends
  • African dream herbs? I don’t know much about it but what’s available online seems fake or sketchy

Would you ever expand your BCAA line?
There are three name brand products recently discontinued that I dearly miss, one non-stim with added Peak O2, and one mid stim with a ton of flavors, and one with carnitine, rose hips, etc for weight loss.

I would also buy a “spicy” amino acid product with paradoxine, etc.
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Any particular Blue Lotus extract? And what form?

Any specific kanna extract?

Agreed - the African dream herbs available seem sketchy from what I've seen and that term is used to describe different blends. I saw one on eBay one time that claimed to contain an ingredient that was flat out dangerous.

We plan on doing an EAA product soon.

Which was discontinued that you liked?
(And I will say no to the PEAK02 part though, I'll likely never use anything by that branded ingredient company in anything ever again if I can help it).

We really hope to start coming out with a lot of flavored powders and expanding that side of things.

A big issue with BCAA/EAA's is that people tend to just buy the cheapest thing available and don't look at quality, dose, etc. and just buy the cheapest and that's why you see so many brands discontinuing them.
 
sns8778 said:
Any particular Blue Lotus extract? And what form?

Any specific kanna extract?

Agreed - the African dream herbs available seem sketchy from what I've seen and that term is used to describe different blends. I saw one on eBay one time that claimed to contain an ingredient that was flat out dangerous.

We plan on doing an EAA product soon.

Which was discontinued that you liked?
(And I will say no to the PEAK02 part though, I'll likely never use anything by that branded ingredient company in anything ever again if I can help it).

We really hope to start coming out with a lot of flavored powders and expanding that side of things.

A big issue with BCAA/EAA's is that people tend to just buy the cheapest thing available and don't look at quality, dose, etc. and just buy the cheapest and that's why you see so many brands discontinuing them.
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100% spot on. Here's a good example..

Many an EAA formula... doesn't even contain all 9 EAA's! They'll substitute L-Tyrosine for L-Tryptophan because I guess, it starts with a T so it's the same right? I've also seen Arginine, Glutamine and Taurine as "placeholders" in sub-par EAA formulas. The non (or conditionally) essential aminos all have their place, true. But as one lab told me once, "the kids won't know the difference...".

And no, I'm not kidding.

For example, look at this popular EAA product. They're a good company/usually true to label when tested BUT - see where the sulfur-based aminos (like methionine) are? Dead last. Why? Taste. If they included the amount that should be in there, it would be bitter (or at least much more difficult to flavor).

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OTOH, the product below shows EAA's in the ratios recommended by the National Academy of Sciences to optimize protein synthesis and tissue repair in those 19 and older. They aren't perfect, but they ARE an excellent starting point when looking to tweak EAA ratios to perform even better.

You'll also note they're extremely bitter...
 

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max silver said:
Will you be running a Memorial day sale? I'd like to stock up on supplies for my upcoming lean(ish) bulk.
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Thank you for asking. It's live now. I'll do a thread on it shortly.
 
Mixelflick said:
100% spot on. Here's a good example..

Many an EAA formula... doesn't even contain all 9 EAA's! They'll substitute L-Tyrosine for L-Tryptophan because I guess, it starts with a T so it's the same right!? I've also seen Arginine, Glutamine and Taurine as "placeholders" in sub-par EAA formulas. The non (or conditionally) essential aminos all have their place, true. But as one lab told me once, "the kids won't know the difference...".

And no, I'm not kidding.

Here's another good example: Look at the label to see where the sulfur-based aminos (like methionine) are. In inferior formulas, they're always last on the ingredient panel. Why? Taste. If they included the amount that should be in there, it would be bitter (or at least much more difficult to flavor). For example, look at this product's Supplement Facts panel.


OTOH, this product (w/the orange and white supplement facts panel) shows EAA's in the ratios recommended by the National Academy of Sciences to optimize protein synthesis and tissue repair in those 19 and older. They aren't perfect, but they ARE an excellent starting point when looking to tweak EAA ratios to perform even better.

You'll also note they're extremely bitter...
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I've seen that with Tyrosine and just shook my head like dang.

And yeah, a lot of brands either leave out certain ones or go super low on the quantities of the bad tasting ones because taste is so important for sales. I understand both sides to that - you want to offer the best product, but if it doesn't sell, then you lose money on it. For us, it will be kind of a mid ground - I'm not going super high on the bad tasting ones but not going super low on them either. We are including them at a level that we can still make a good tasting product.

I really like the ratios that we will be using for ours.
 
Back in Stocks:

I wanted to let everyone know that the following items have come back in stock within the last 2 weeks:
  • CEL Epi-Plex
  • CEL Joint Edge
  • Agmatine XT Powder
  • Bulbine Caps
  • Growth Factor XT
  • MitoBurn XT (sold out already, but check retailers)
  • Paradoxine Caps
  • Pepti-Bolic
We have restocks coming in weekly or almost weekly.
 
sns8778 said:
Any particular Blue Lotus extract? And what form?

Any specific kanna extract?

Agreed - the African dream herbs available seem sketchy from what I've seen and that term is used to describe different blends. I saw one on eBay one time that claimed to contain an ingredient that was flat out dangerous.

We plan on doing an EAA product soon.

Which was discontinued that you liked?
(And I will say no to the PEAK02 part though, I'll likely never use anything by that branded ingredient company in anything ever again if I can help it).

We really hope to start coming out with a lot of flavored powders and expanding that side of things.

A big issue with BCAA/EAA's is that people tend to just buy the cheapest thing available and don't look at quality, dose, etc. and just buy the cheapest and that's why you see so many brands discontinuing them.
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I just recently started paying attention to a variety of different company's eaa labels and the eaa's are dosed so pitifully low that one would have just been better off buying the cheaper bcaa version. So many people gloss over that fact without even realizing.
 
I'd love to see you guys do a proteolytic enzymes product. I'm a big fan of nattokinase, lumbrokinase, serrapeptase and would love a high quality, highly dosed formula. The big benefits for heart and arterial health with Nattokinase seem to be over 10,000 fu. Some brands have high doses but who knows what's going on behind the scenes there.

Another one, a bit more "out there" would be some sort of date extract. Ever since someone posted a study on AM that combined pomegranate juice or extract with dates that showed a synergy when it came to arterial health I became interested. As of now I just eat a few dates post workout with some pomegranate extract or cardiovascular support xt but it would be cool to here a potent extract that saved on the calories lol
 
anthon88 said:
I'd love to see you guys do a proteolytic enzymes product. I'm a big fan of nattokinase, lumbrokinase, serrapeptase and would love a high quality, highly dosed formula. The big benefits for heart and arterial health with Nattokinase seem to be over 10,000 fu. Some brands have high doses but who knows what's going on behind the scenes there.

Another one, a bit more "out there" would be some sort of date extract. Ever since someone posted a study on AM that combined pomegranate juice or extract with dates that showed a synergy when it came to arterial health I became interested. As of now I just eat a few dates post workout with some pomegranate extract or cardiovascular support xt but it would be cool to here a potent extract that saved on the calories lol
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The problem with doing a Nattokinase, Serapeptase, Lumbrokinase product is the amount of fly by night Amazon brands that claim to offer them that don't meet label claims. It's impossible to make a legit product and sell it at the price that some of them claim too, so the brand trying just looks overpriced and the product doesn't sell well. It's unfortunate because the brands doing that and the people rewarding it are killing quality in this industry. (Not the consumers fault most of the time bc they're being deceived too).
 
sns8778 said:
The problem with doing a Nattokinase, Serapeptase, Lumbrokinase product is the amount of fly by night Amazon brands that claim to offer them that don't meet label claims. It's impossible to make a legit product and sell it at the price that some of them claim too, so the brand trying just looks overpriced and the product doesn't sell well. It's unfortunate because the brands doing that and the people rewarding it are killing quality in this industry. (Not the consumers fault most of the time bc they're being deceived too).
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Yeah I figured that would an issue. Other than the people who understand these type of things, everyone else would still stick to the cheaper, inferior options.

Is there anyway you could dazzle it up somehow and offer something unique with it that could drive some sales? I have no idea, just spitballing.
 
What about putting them in another health formula?

Or even a natty anabolic. I use swanson nattozimes. I'm usually running something natural on top of my trt. I like the idea of a natty anabolic with those other health benefits.
 
Danksta710 said:
What about putting them in another health formula?

Or even a natty anabolic. I use swanson nattozimes. I'm usually running something natural on top of my trt. I like the idea of a natty anabolic with those other health benefits.
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I'm open to suggestions.

I've been thinking about doing a product specifically for helping with TRT related issues.
 
dukes3577 said:
How about a transdermal cordyceptin?
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Never been asked about that. I'm curious what your thought is on that one?

I'm glad to look into it.
 
faipdeooiad said:
Hey Steve @sns8778 which distributor(s) do you use in the UK? I’m just ramping up my presence on eBay and would love to stock CEL & SNS
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If you have my email address, send me an email. In case you don't, I'm going to pm it to you.
 
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