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Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2025 Edition)

sns8778 said:
Not that I can think of.

I think that Lactium is a very underrated ingredient, just as its sad that Mood Support XT doesn't get any more talk on there than it does.
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Mood Support XT is a rockstar for me. Makes me feel great. It’s also a true standalone - it doesn’t feel like just Ash or Rhodiola, it’s its own unique uplift for the day.

I always feel anabolics get more discussion as the results are more “interesting” to read the back and forth about and see people compare results. But I’d happily vouch for Mood XT if anyone had a question on it.
 
I know we chatted about this before, and the economics didn’t really work, but I’d love to see a hardcore hi-stim 16oz energy drink. I’m so tired of seeing new ones come to market with the same basic energy blends.

There was a time when C4 Ultimate in a can had both rawolscine and kanna extract. That hit hard for early mornings I recall. I’d love to see a hardcore, delicious, option on the market again.
 
What’s @sns8778 and others thoughts on a Kava supplement? I’ve been going to a kava bar and it does seem to be pretty relaxing. Can’t get much info on extract and quality of kava they get though.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
What’s @sns8778 and others thoughts on a Kava supplement? I’ve been going to a kava bar and it does seem to be pretty relaxing. Can’t get much info on extract and quality of kava they get though.
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I'm a huge fan, used kava for years. Amazon has pure ground kava root from various islands. IMO it's better than extracts. Just make sure it's pure root, no stems.

Fiji Vanua Kava Vanuatu Powder,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CNB7HWW7?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

That one is pretty good.
 
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3ChainedAminos said:
What’s @sns8778 and others thoughts on a Kava supplement? I’ve been going to a kava bar and it does seem to be pretty relaxing. Can’t get much info on extract and quality of kava they get though.
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We would be open to doing one if the demand were high enough.
 
N2ofusion said:
I know we chatted about this before, and the economics didn’t really work, but I’d love to see a hardcore hi-stim 16oz energy drink. I’m so tired of seeing new ones come to market with the same basic energy blends.

There was a time when C4 Ultimate in a can had both rawolscine and kanna extract. That hit hard for early mornings I recall. I’d love to see a hardcore, delicious, option on the market again.
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I wish that we could do that. We just don't have the distribution network to do something like that. Energy drinks require tying up a lot of money and are so low profit per unit that a brand has to be able to move a lot of units to not lose money on them. And they have to do everything possible to keep costs down - bc even a couple cents per unit can matter bc margins are so low on them, so that's why you don't see hardly anything added to them. Most of them are the same as each other and just compete based on name and flavors.

I have considered doing like a high energy powdered drink mix.

I love Focus XT personally, but had thought about eventually doing a higher stim version of it; and also thought about doing just a high stim powder version of an energy drink for people that want something with higher stims in it.
 
sns8778 said:
We would be open to doing one if the demand were high enough.
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Kava is great. We've talked about rhis before. General consensus was at one point, but I havent followed in years, that most pills and extrac on the market are worhless. I can say with certainty that Gaia herbs does a good extract, albeit a little pricey. The Tea room by me does micronizedr powder, and I like that as well. I started with rhe Yogi Kava tea, and it is decent in higher doses, or when stacked with caps.

The problem with Kava, is it is known to have a reverse tollerance. If a customer tries SNS Kava XT(hypothetical) once or twice and doesn't get the desired effects, they may provide poor reviews, or discontinue use all together. That could hurt sales in the long run, so this would have to be addressed with dosing guidelines. Too be fair though, I don't know how much the reverse tollerance is true, or how long it takes, or if it's just hearsay and parroting. I dont remember if I experienced it.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Kava is great. We've talked about rhis before. General consensus was at one point, but I havent followed in years, that most pills and extrac on the market are worhless. I can say with certainty that Gaia herbs does a good extract, albeit a little pricey. The Tea room by me does micronizedr powder, and I like that as well. I started with rhe Yogi Kava tea, and it is decent in higher doses, or when stacked with caps.

The problem with Kava, is it is known to have a reverse tollerance. If a customer tries SNS Kava XT(hypothetical) once or twice and doesn't get the desired effects, they may provide poor reviews, or discontinue use all together. That could hurt sales in the long run, so this would have to be addressed with dosing guidelines. Too be fair though, I don't know how much the reverse tollerance is true, or how long it takes, or if it's just hearsay and parroting. I dont remember if I experienced it.
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If that was ever the consensus, then the consensus was wrong and was a reflection of what I've talked a lot about lately - people buy the cheapest thing they can get their hands on and then complain when an herbal "doesn't work" when they weren't taking a type that even had a chance to.

It's unfortunate that that happens to a lot of herbs.

There are so many different types of Kava that there would never be any pleasing everyone. I've heard that about the reverse tolerance too, but never known anyone personally that could attest to it.
 
I’d like to see Kava as a part of a relaxation powder drink, honestly. I like it for unwinding slowly rather than taking one pill and continuing on.

Alcohol alternative drinks are all the rage right now. I bet you could throw a few relaxation stacks together and get some big interest.
 
N2ofusion said:
I’d like to see Kava as a part of a relaxation powder drink, honestly. I like it for unwinding slowly rather than taking one pill and continuing on.

Alcohol alternative drinks are all the rage right now. I bet you could throw a few relaxation stacks together and get some big interest.
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Personally I would prefer to see it as a solo ingredient, with maybe some stacking option. SNS already does Stress and Anxiety Support and Mood Support XT.
 
N2ofusion said:
I’d like to see Kava as a part of a relaxation powder drink, honestly. I like it for unwinding slowly rather than taking one pill and continuing on.

Alcohol alternative drinks are all the rage right now. I bet you could throw a few relaxation stacks together and get some big interest.
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Which alcohol alternative drinks do you see being popular?

That's not something I follow at all, so I'd be curious.
 
If we were to do a Kava, it would likely be as a single ingredient and that way people could take it however they wanted to or add it to whatever they'd like to.

The reason for that is that people seem to respond so differently to it, that I would rather allow for versatile dosing than to put it in a good formula and have it be the reason someone wouldn't want to take it.
 
poison said:
Daytrip
Recess
Hiyo

w kava
Leilo
Mitra (kava and kratom)
New Brew (kava and kratom)
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Great list. For our household:
  • Hop Wtr is by far the champion as we go through a case a week
  • Hoppy Hour gets an honorable mention.
  • Hiyo sounds promising but there’s a taste/texture issue I can’t get past with undissolved ick at the bottom of the cans, plus too much sugar and way more expensive than the superior products above. (YMMV, just my experience)
From what I see heavily advertised across the internet but haven’t tried:
  • Calm amanita muscaria extract
  • Mycolean drops (seems sketchy?)
  • Magnesium-based seltzers
  • Lagunitas Hop2O and I think a similar one from Sierra Nevada.
  • Kava drops and seltzers, some of which are ludicrously overpriced.
I use Kava and Chamomile Teas in rotation with some of these. I don’t get actively impaired, but usually calm and happy enough to quiet down the urge to drink. I’ve also noticed better moods when drinking Hop Wtr every day for a few weeks.
 
Lagunitas hop water is kinda tasty.

I use whole ground kava root, 2 tablespoons. I like scotch, but I only drink an Oz or so, but kava plus scotch makes me feel pretty inebriated, haha. 0 sides the next day.
 
I do like hop water these days, since I've gone NA. Allagash makes a good one that's currently in my fridge, Troegs Sidekick, and Lagunitas too. Hop Wtr is decent.

But agree on Hiyo for a "functional" drink. They're just really pricey per can. But they're all alcohol alternatives, usually with herbal extracts or adaptogens, and in some case I've seen mushroom mixes too.
 
I'm just following along because I'm not familiar with these.

I used to love beer but ever since becoming allergic to gluten, I can't drink regular beer. I can do the hard seltzers sometimes but have found that alcohol in general tends to cause a b***h of a histamine response in me now and I feel like crap the next day. Not like hungover, but I think from the histamine response.
 
It's funny because I looked up a couple of them mentioned and can't find a single one available for sale anywhere in the city I live in.
 
sns8778 said:
It's funny because I looked up a couple of them mentioned and can't find a single one available for sale anywhere in the city I live in.
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You can order new brew and leilo online. I think new brew is better myself, but not even close to real kava powder. You should try that too, it's pretty excellent.
 
poison said:
You can order new brew and leilo online. I think new brew is better myself, but not even close to real kava powder. You should try that too, it's pretty excellent.
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I'll give it a try at some point. Message me a flavor suggestion sometimes.

I'm still on the hunt for a good gluten free beer, although I really don't try anymore. It's funny, I stopped drinking completely bc of the histamine response I was having and realized the other day I probably haven't drank a single drop in over a year.

The Kava conversation is making me think of the idea of a relaxing type drink mix. Something along the lines of like a Focus XT type thing but for relaxation and unwinding.
 
sns8778 said:
I'll give it a try at some point. Message me a flavor suggestion sometimes.

I'm still on the hunt for a good gluten free beer, although I really don't try anymore. It's funny, I stopped drinking completely bc of the histamine response I was having and realized the other day I probably haven't drank a single drop in over a year.

The Kava conversation is making me think of the idea of a relaxing type drink mix. Something along the lines of like a Focus XT type thing but for relaxation and unwinding.
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I think the new brew mango is the better flavor but don't worry too much about it kava tastes like ass haha. Any sufficient dose is going to be gross.

A powdered relaxing drink mix you could dump in water would be amazing. Lava, theanine, gaba, etc. I haven't tried the ibstantized
 
sns8778 said:
I'll give it a try at some point. Message me a flavor suggestion sometimes.

I'm still on the hunt for a good gluten free beer, although I really don't try anymore. It's funny, I stopped drinking completely bc of the histamine response I was having and realized the other day I probably haven't drank a single drop in over a year.

The Kava conversation is making me think of the idea of a relaxing type drink mix. Something along the lines of like a Focus XT type thing but for relaxation and unwinding.
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I’d even vote for something possibly stronger than relaxing, like a “drunk” alternative that kinda puts you on your butt. Since the alcohol alternatives are popular I feel like that could sell,
 
sns8778 said:
The Kava conversation is making me think of the idea of a relaxing type drink mix. Something along the lines of like a Focus XT type thing but for relaxation and unwinding.
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That would be awesome. 😎
I’ve found Kava + Ashwaganda makes a good mix for me, Kanna seems popular on Reddit but I’ve never tried it outside of pre workout use so no comment on relaxation.

Regardless I think you could come up with a cool, stackable, “Enjoy 1-4 scoops” style drink and have robust demand (although maybe a slightly different audience than normal).
 
sns8778 said:
It's funny because I looked up a couple of them mentioned and can't find a single one available for sale anywhere in the city I live in.
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Food Lion stocks some in the beer coolers, adjacent to beers and blended in.

Target has a few. Total Wine and More has a big selection. Whole Foods has a section for it but usually just teas and useless products, Hop beverages occasionally. Trader Joe’s by me used to then stopped. Not sure how many of these are in your town though…
 
sns8778 said:
I'll give it a try at some point. Message me a flavor suggestion sometimes.

I'm still on the hunt for a good gluten free beer, although I really don't try anymore. It's funny, I stopped drinking completely bc of the histamine response I was having and realized the other day I probably haven't drank a single drop in over a year.

The Kava conversation is making me think of the idea of a relaxing type drink mix. Something along the lines of like a Focus XT type thing but for relaxation and unwinding.
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My FIL drinks Glutenberg and they have quite a few different flavors. Daura Damm is supposedly also a good one.
 
poison said:
I think the new brew mango is the better flavor but don't worry too much about it kava tastes like ass haha. Any sufficient dose is going to be gross.

A powdered relaxing drink mix you could dump in water would be amazing. Lava, theanine, gaba, etc. I haven't tried the ibstantized
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Lava would be interesting haha 🤣

I will try to find the New Brew somewhere. No where lists any of those for sale locally, but I travel enough I'll keep a lookout for some or just order some.
 
N2ofusion said:
That would be awesome. 😎
I’ve found Kava + Ashwaganda makes a good mix for me, Kanna seems popular on Reddit but I’ve never tried it outside of pre workout use so no comment on relaxation.

Regardless I think you could come up with a cool, stackable, “Enjoy 1-4 scoops” style drink and have robust demand (although maybe a slightly different audience than normal).
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I really like the formula we have for Mood Support XT.

I like KannaEase, but the generic Kanna's don't do anything for me - I know some take extreme doses of them, and I don't personally have any interest in doing that.

I was thinking 1 to 2 scoops, but 1-4 scoops is an interesting thought.

I had thought about Ashwagandha, but also thought to leave it out because some people may take it in other products.
 
N2ofusion said:
Food Lion stocks some in the beer coolers, adjacent to beers and blended in.

Target has a few. Total Wine and More has a big selection. Whole Foods has a section for it but usually just teas and useless products, Hop beverages occasionally. Trader Joe’s by me used to then stopped. Not sure how many of these are in your town though…
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That's interesting. I had looked in Food Lion and didn't see any and then looked some up online and didn't see any at any of the Food Lion's here. It may be a region thing.
 
Segansational said:
My FIL drinks Glutenberg and they have quite a few different flavors. Daura Damm is supposedly also a good one.
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I had Glutenberg on my list to try if I ever see any or I may try to order it online.

I will put the other one on my list to try too. Thank you.
 
ride1979 said:
Are we near new version of Super Swole and Vasoforce XT or at least formula reveal?Can not wait!!
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I hope so. It's been a lot of 'hurry up and wait' with some of the branded ingredients we want to use.

But hoping to get the go ahead on them this week.
 
BANE44 said:
the powdered version of super swole was the best pump product I have used.
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Thank you. I think that the new version will be even better :)
 
For anyone that likes the Kava beverages or is interested in us doing a Kava as a single ingredient or in a mix, I would be curious as to what their thoughts were on potency of Kavalactones?

From a quick look, it seems most capsules have up to 75 mg. max and then some of the drinks max out at 225 mg. Some of the drinks that say 225 mg. per serving have 2 servings per container.
 
New Brew has 100mg, and I wish it was stronger. My concern is that any extract come solely from the root. Stems are a no-go.
 
2026 Edition

Since we did get some good conversation going in this thread, I went ahead and did a 2026 version of this thread with some updates.

Please check it out and follow along and hopefully we can have some good conversation:

Link: https://anabolicminds.com/community...m-sns-cel-xpg-discussion-2026-edition.340734/

I just wanted to start a new thread because I know some people likely aren't going to read through all these pages to be following this one if they haven't been following it all along.
 
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