I tried three kinds of Hydroxycut. The old ephedra free one, then the one after it then the hardcore. In my opinion all are JUNK. I agree Leviathan is a better way. Or as some say DCP is also good. Lipo-6 is great too. Just my 2 cents. I an ECA ehpedrine stack so but as to ephedra fee ones I would say Levi or Recreate