6bromo bloodwork..

quigs said:
This has nothing to do with PA, this has to do with intelligent discussion about the pharmacological effects of these designer steroids. No one is stating that they aren't effective...on the contrary its pretty obvious that they are.

Now, what is not obvious is whether this product is effective because it stimulates endogenous test production, or because its a "pro-hormone" to 6-bromotestosterone. Both are distinct possibilities, and anyone with half a brain could see this.

There are so many variables in this equation its impossible for any of us (incuding PA) to definitively say whether this hormone is effective at re-establishing HPTA function...

Does 6-bromoandrostendione convert to 6-bromotestosterone? We don't even know for sure, but if we "have to draw our own conclusions" then I'd say that it does. There is also going to be aromatization to 6-bromoestrogens. What are the effects of these? Do they have any estrogenic activity?

Does 6-bromotest have androgenic activity? Who knows? Other 6-halogenated testosterone derivitives do, so why would this one be any different?

Taking this into account, and seeing the blood values brings up more questions...

How long would 6-bromoandro / 6-bromotest be detectible in an immunological assay?

What is 6-bromotest's binding affinity for SHBG? Is it higher than testosterone's? Lower? Does it bind to SHBG at all?

I'm glad that you liked HX2. It may do exactly what it states it does...but wouldn't it be nice to know? If you're "all for questioning these supplements", then you should be asking some of these same questions...
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I never tried HX2, remember that was part of the two that I didn't try. Finally, I get a worthwhile post from somebody when their integrity is challenged. Also, I must indeed be mistaken if you guys weren't challenging the effectiveness of 6-Bromo for PCT by attacking Voodoo's bloodwork results. Have a nice day friends.
 
quigs said:
If you truely believe that 6-bromo is so effective for post cycle therapy, why the need for a SERM? Shouldn't it be sufficient to jumpstart LH production?

It would seem to me that adding a SERM to such an effective AI would be overkill, and unnecessary taxing on your liver/wallet.
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Really, I guess all of us that use ai's with serms are wasting our money. I'll give you a quick run down, you're spewing bs my friend and I can't stand the smell. I always skeptical of those that won't post a picture of themselves, but have lots to say about what is good and how they only only ingest researched steroids like test-e and ment. Your credibility has just been been challenged. Again, have a nice day:FUfinger: .
 
slow-mun said:
I never tried HX2, remember that was part of the two that I didn't try. Finally, I get a worthwhile post from somebody when their integrity is challenged. Also, I must indeed be mistaken if you guys weren't challenging the effectiveness of 6-Bromo for post cycle therapy by attacking Voodoo's bloodwork results. Have a nice day friends.
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I'm questioning whether the metabolites of 6-bromo have any androgenic activity. In which case it would be a poor choice for PCT.

I'm not challenging the effectiveness of 6-bromo as an ergogenic aid...its obvious the stuff works...we just don't know how.

No need to nit-pick...
 
slow-mun said:
Really, I guess all of us that use ai's with serms are wasting our money. I'll give you a quick run down, you're spewing bs my friend and I can't stand the smell. I always skeptical of those that won't post a picture of themselves, but have lots to say about what is good and how they only only ingest researched steroids like test-e and ment. Your credibility has just been been challenged. Again, have a nice day:FUfinger: .
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Not sure why you've restorted to attacking my credibility. Like I said, I would think you'd have the same questions that I do if you truely want to understand what it is that you are taking.

Wouldn't it piss you off to find out that you've been taking a compound for post cycle therapy in order to jumpstart HPTA...only to find out that you've further supressed it? That is a real possibility here, and for the life of me I can't understand why you dont see this...

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Oh, and yes. I do think that AI's + a SERM are unnecessary during post cycle therapy unless you are running a compound with a high degree of aromatization. That however is my own personal opinion, and I'm sure others will differ in their own opinions.
 
"bottom line, there is reason to be concerned about the wisdom of taking a 6-bromo product for post cycle therapy. at least one of the isomers likely converts into a potent anabolic steroid. this would make it suppressive enough to render insignificant any HPTA stimulating action acheived via its aromatase inhibitory potential" - Patrick Arnold

but nobody ever said it was suppressive. ;)

Look, I'm not trying to start a fight, I wanted to post bloodwork and counter what P.A. said with something behind me other than a bull**** argument, and I did. I'm glad users are questioning the results, it shows some serious interest in the product and I'm glad I could help shed some light on a real world example of 6 bromo use.

Solomon - thanks for going to bat for me. Though I think a back and forth argument is more or less null at this point. Besides, numbers are numbers. Let the opinions continue to fly, Ill stick to the facts.

Sinner - glad to put your mind at ease. Ill see you over at LB!
 
V00D00 said:
"bottom line, there is reason to be concerned about the wisdom of taking a 6-bromo product for post cycle therapy. at least one of the isomers likely converts into a potent anabolic steroid. this would make it suppressive enough to render insignificant any HPTA stimulating action acheived via its aromatase inhibitory potential" - Patrick Arnold

but nobody ever said it was suppressive. ;)
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I've been saying all along that if 6-bromotest has androgenic activity then it would be supressive....that's just common sense.

V00D00 said:
Look, I'm not trying to start a fight, I wanted to post bloodwork and counter what P.A. said with something behind me other than a bull**** argument, and I did. I'm glad users are questioning the results, it shows some serious interest in the product and I'm glad I could help shed some light on a real world example of 6 bromo use.

Solomon - thanks for going to bat for me. Though I think a back and forth argument is more or less null at this point. Besides, numbers are numbers. Let the opinions continue to fly, Ill stick to the facts.

Sinner - glad to put your mind at ease. Ill see you over at LB!
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I'm glad that you posted blood work as well, but I'm trying to look at it objectively. I really don't understand how you guys can be so adamant in your beliefs that 6-bromo couldn't be supressive...that one of its metabolites may convert to an androgenically active steroid.

Whether you like PA or not, you can't deny that he has brought up some very good questions that should be answered before we can determine that 6-bromo is indeed a good option for post cycle therapy and HPTA recovery.

Its like you want to believe in 6-bromo so badly as a post cycle therapy supplement that you completely disregard some pretty alarming evidence about its possible...hell, even probable...androgenic activity.

IMO, for your lab values to hold any water whatsoever in "proving PA wrong", it needs to be determined whether 6-bromotest would show up as free/bound testosterone on a blood test. If it doesn't then this whole debate is moot.
 
ah ah ah... nothing is ever proven only supported. I merely offer up evidence that shows that Patrick Arnolds statement was incorrect.

I actually agree with him to a degree. As I said before, in high enough dosing 6bromo would actually make for a prohormone. However, since it converts to such a low degree, the 4-6 pill dosing is way under the needed amount of material to supress you. Im sure at 20 pills a day you might actually get a nice recomposition drug. Of course price plays a factor.
 
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Whole lotta blah blah blah in here. Can you guys not make your statements one liners with others responding with yes or no :D I tried to wade through this thread but my ADD got the better of me.

Cliff Notes:

1. 6-Bromo is not suppressive

2. Not the BEST post cycle therapy Test Booster

3. Yes, no, yes, no blah blah blah

At this point there is no point....

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
quigs said:
I've been saying all along that if 6-bromotest has androgenic activity then it would be supressive....that's just common sense.



I'm glad that you posted blood work as well, but I'm trying to look at it objectively. I really don't understand how you guys can be so adamant in your beliefs that 6-bromo couldn't be supressive...that one of its metabolites may convert to an androgenically active steroid.

Whether you like PA or not, you can't deny that he has brought up some very good questions that should be answered before we can determine that 6-bromo is indeed a good option for post cycle therapy and HPTA recovery.

Its like you want to believe in 6-bromo so badly as a post cycle therapy supplement that you completely disregard some pretty alarming evidence about its possible...hell, even probable...androgenic activity.

IMO, for your lab values to hold any water whatsoever in "proving PA wrong", it needs to be determined whether 6-bromotest would show up as free/bound testosterone on a blood test. If it doesn't then this whole debate is moot.
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Damn I wished I had done bloodwork on HDx2. I ran it for a month solo not PCT. I can only offer up how my body responded. For me it couldn't have been suppressive. I had a nice increase of Libido thru the run and hell ever since then it seems to be steady or increasing to some point.

Mental note- Plan on running HDx2 again solo and provide pre, during and post BW!
 
UNCfan1 said:
Damn I wished I had done bloodwork on HDx2. I ran it for a month solo not post cycle therapy. I can only offer up how my body responded. For me it couldn't have been suppressive. I had a nice increase of Libido thru the run and hell ever since then it seems to be steady or increasing to some point.

Mental note- Plan on running HDx2 again solo and provide pre, during and post BW!
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My libido went through the roof on Halodrol 50 and its suppressive. Libido is not an accurate measure of HPTA suppression.

Ive been experimenting with HX2 and RR, my conclusion is that HX2 probably contains more of the androgenic 6-bromo because I get none of the testicular swelling that I get with RR. I have a healthy libido boost, but Im not carrying around golf balls like I do on RR.

HX2 defiantly improves sexual function, as I said in another thread I had been using Cialis since my last Halodrol cycle despite a PCT with AI and Clomid because my johnson wasnt quite the same. I started HX2 and its no longer needed cause my buddy gets rock hard again! :)
 
V00D00 said:
ah ah ah... nothing is ever proven only supported. I merely offer up evidence that shows that Patrick Arnolds statement was incorrect.

I actually agree with him to a degree. As I said before, in high enough dosing 6bromo would actually make for a prohormone. However, since it converts to such a low degree, the 4-6 pill dosing is way under the needed amount of material to supress you. Im sure at 20 pills a day you might actually get a nice recomposition drug. Of course price plays a factor.
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What I am saying is that your "evidence" needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Those numbers may very well be skewed, rendering them useless as a means to determine HPTA recovery.

Since you've determined that the dosage of 6-bromo in HX2 is "way under the needed amout to supress you"...I question where you get the numbers on how much 6-bromo would actually be supressive?

Do you know how androgenically active 6-bromotesosterone is?

Do you know the conversion rate of 6-bromoandrostendione to 6-bromotestosterone?

Seems pretty difficult to make such a definitive statement without knowledge of any of the above...

Last time I checked, it appears that HX2 has been a "nice recomposition drug" even at suggested dosage. No need to bump it up to 20 caps per day. It was actually inteded by AX for this purpose, not a PCT supplement...hence the significantly higher dosage of 6-bromo in the newer version compared to the old.

Did you ever sit and ask yourself...."if 6-bromo in lower dosages is good for increasing endogenous test production, then why did AX bump the dosage of 6-bromo in HX2 to 50mg/cap?" There has to be a point of diminshed returns if this product works simply as a suicide aromatase inhibitor. There is only so much aromatase enzyme to bind. If it was not converting to 6-bromotest, and/or 6-bromotest had no androgenic activity, would we be seeing the same kind of gains that people are experiencing on this compound? Its possible, but IMO it would appear that there is some androgenic activity here.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Damn I wished I had done bloodwork on HDx2. I ran it for a month solo not post cycle therapy. I can only offer up how my body responded. For me it couldn't have been suppressive. I had a nice increase of Libido thru the run and hell ever since then it seems to be steady or increasing to some point.

Mental note- Plan on running HDx2 again solo and provide pre, during and post BW!
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Libido really is no measure of supression on anabolic steroids. Hell, injecting testosterone will shoot libido through the roof...but you're going to be shut down. Some will experience a post-cycle crash (with or without post cycle therapy) others will not. It's a very individual thing.
 
FrankJ said:
My libido went through the roof on Halodrol 50 and its suppressive. Libido is not an accurate measure of HPTA suppression.
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Exactly. How many of you experienced increased libido on ergomax/phera? Or epistane? Dbol?

FrankJ said:
Ive been experimenting with HX2 and RR, my conclusion is that HX2 probably contains more of the androgenic 6-bromo because I get none of the testicular swelling that I get with RR. I have a healthy libido boost, but Im not carrying around golf balls like I do on RR.

HX2 defiantly improves sexual function, as I said in another thread I had been using Cialis since my last Halodrol cycle despite a post cycle therapy with AI and Clomid because my johnson wasnt quite the same. I started HX2 and its no longer needed cause my buddy gets rock hard again! :)
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HX2 definitely contains more 6-bromo than RR...there is no question. We do not know if they are the same mixture of isomers however, but taking what was quoted by sledge over at M&M:

Sldgehmr said:
There is a specific full text study which gives a whole new light to which isomer should be used. Its a very hard study to find. If you want ill send it to you. This is a total guess on my part but I bet its a mix of a and b. I wanted a specific isomer and I was never able to isolate just that one.
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We can assume that even RR contains both the alpha and beta isomers.

I think that we will all agree that mesterolone (proviron) both serves to signifcantly increase libido, improve mood, increase energy, improve ED symptoms...and to some degree it appears to increase testicular size...but it does have androgenic activity and has been conclusively shown to cause supression of testosterone/LH. So without actually testing blood levels, degree of supression is almost impossible to determine.
 
A logical thing to do to follow up this bloodwork is to have it retaken in a month or so without any supplement usage whatsoever. See where the test levels are then.

Unfortunately, though I'm going to be running "all natural" (no pro hormones) through the summer I doubt I'm going to have blood re drawn.
 
quigs said:
Libido really is no measure of supression on anabolic steroids. Hell, injecting testosterone will shoot libido through the roof...but you're going to be shut down. Some will experience a post-cycle crash (with or without post cycle therapy) others will not. It's a very individual thing.
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True bad example. I don't believe 6-bromo supressed my endogenous androgens levels all that much well to make a neg impact on me. I continued to gain strength and mass after the solo run. I know this prob doesn't mean much because there is no bloodowrk with it.
 
slow-mun said:
Oh, I am. I didn't have to change what I've already posted, I just elaborated on my post so you could understand it a bit better . BTW, how much experience do you have with any of these products? I've pretty much used all of the products except for Hyperdrol X2 and Trenadrol. I'm finding it funny how people are claiming that all of these AI's are ineffective when there are so many that can offer actual feedback and not speculation. 6-bromo is effective for post cycle therapy, but I wouldn't use it without a SERM. Voodoo used a 6-Bromo product for post cycle therapy following a highly supressive cycle and you guys call shenanigans because of the results. I'm all for questioning the effectiveness of supplements(especially designer ai's and steroids), but come on. Some of you guys need to loosen your jaws from around PA's nuts a bit and begin making your own conclusions and quit all of the speculating. I really wish Sledge would participate in this discussion, b/c so far I have not heard a convincing arguement that his results are anything but good.
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I only changed one of my post the whole time, wrote suppressive instead of impressive on accident. I have had no problems understanding what your saying, it is vice versa. I have used the original hyperdrol and that is it out of these, used it not during post cycle therapy as Ive never needed one. I never said it was not an effective AI, it is a good AI. May also have androgenic metabolites though. Questioning results b/c we still don't know if 6-bromotest would show up on a blood test as actual test is shenanigans? I have made my own conclusions after reading the threads on 6-bromo, if you know ANY organic chemistry at ALL it would make sense it converts to 6-bromotest and that 6-bromotest would be active just like 6-chloro/flouro. Why should anyone quit speculating till we have real proof. Like a study done on 6-bromo/6-bromotest that determines any androgenic activity or testboosting activity. I wish sledge was here too, he would make sense at least. If you understand chemistry then these are actually good arguments, it is hard to be totally convinced either way till we are given some solid study.

Also, this is off topic as I really want this thread back on track but PM me if you can find the post/s I changed. Other than the one I posted admitting my grammical error.
 
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slow-mun said:
Really, I guess all of us that use ai's with serms are wasting our money. I'll give you a quick run down, you're spewing bs my friend and I can't stand the smell. I always skeptical of those that won't post a picture of themselves, but have lots to say about what is good and how they only only ingest researched steroids like test-e and ment. Your credibility has just been been challenged. Again, have a nice day:FUfinger: .
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Pictures, lol. I would rather have a smart organic chemist who knew how the human body worked but didn't have a days worth of working out tell me what a "supp" is doing in my body than a huge ripped guy with no real chemistry education.
I wouldn't necessarily say AI w/SERM is a waste of money, if the AI is proven to be non-androgenic. I would say a SERM is money better spent though.
 
UNCfan1 said:
True bad example. I don't believe 6-bromo supressed my endogenous androgens levels all that much well to make a neg impact on me. I continued to gain strength and mass after the solo run. I know this prob doesn't mean much because there is no bloodowrk with it.
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That may very well be what is great about 6-bromo standalone or during a cycle. Lower estrogen, be slightly androgenic and hopefully the AI capability is enough to not let test drop. Still don't believe it to be good for recover but to me it still resembles something like Formestane.
 
V00D00 said:
A logical thing to do to follow up this bloodwork is to have it retaken in a month or so without any supplement usage whatsoever. See where the test levels are then.

Unfortunately, though I'm going to be running "all natural" (no pro hormones) through the summer I doubt I'm going to have blood re drawn.
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Wait a few months, do pre, during and post blood work on a HDX2 standalone cycle. Than the only question left would really be if 6-bromotest shows up as testosterone on a blood test.
 
jasonschaffin said:
That may very well be what is great about 6-bromo standalone or during a cycle. Lower estrogen, be slightly androgenic and hopefully the AI capability is enough to not let test drop. Still don't believe it to be good for recover but to me it still resembles something like Formestane.
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resembles formestane in what way.
 
jasonschaffin said:
Pictures, lol. I would rather have a smart organic chemist who knew how the human body worked but didn't have a days worth of working out tell me what a "supp" is doing in my body than a huge ripped guy with no real chemistry education.
I wouldn't necessarily say AI w/SERM is a waste of money, if the AI is proven to be non-androgenic. I would say a SERM is money better spent though.
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I think he just got flustered because he really had no idea wtf he was talking about...and the whole pictures and "attacking integrity" thing was all he could come up with.

Lame.
 
jasonschaffin said:
I only changed one of my post the whole time, wrote suppressive instead of impressive on accident. I have had no problems understanding what your saying, it is vice versa. I have used the original hyperdrol and that is it out of these, used it not during post cycle therapy as Ive never needed one. I never said it was not an effective AI, it is a good AI. May also have androgenic metabolites though. Questioning results b/c we still don't know if 6-bromotest would show up on a blood test as actual test is shenanigans? I have made my own conclusions after reading the threads on 6-bromo, if you know ANY organic chemistry at ALL it would make sense it converts to 6-bromotest and that 6-bromotest would be active just like 6-chloro/flouro. Why should anyone quit speculating till we have real proof. Like a study done on 6-bromo/6-bromotest that determines any androgenic activity or testboosting activity. I wish sledge was here too, he would make sense at least. If you understand chemistry then these are actually good arguments, it is hard to be totally convinced either way till we are given some solid study.

Also, this is off topic as I really want this thread back on track but PM me if you can find the post/s I changed. Other than the one I posted admitting my grammical error.
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And thinking back, the only one I saw "backpeddling" was him with that obviously ignorant LH comment.
 
quigs said:
I think he's referring to the possiblity of conversion to an androgenically active metabolite, as is the case with formestane 4-OH-test.
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Exactly

Formestane------>4-hydroxytestosterone

6-bromoandro---->6-bromotestosterone

It makes total sense, but is not proven. Remember this people, none of this is "proven" about 6-bromo, this is all discussion about why some feel 6-bromo is not the best during PCT. Not about being an effective AI.
 
quigs said:
And thinking back, the only one I saw "backpeddling" was him with that obviously ignorant LH comment.
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That made me laugh.
2 reasons, it made it sound like trib really was proven to raise LH and also that apparently LH did not raise test.
 
:wave: Nice way to keep the thread on topic...................You guys don't know me, so I'll just leave it at that. By the way, real world experience is valuable regardless what you may think. On another note, if you have never ran a cycle DO NOT give your $00.02's on what a proper PCT plan should or shouldn't include. I'm simply ashamed........, you both are very lame indeed:FUfinger:
 
quigs said:
I think he just got flustered because he really had no idea wtf he was talking about...and the whole pictures and "attacking integrity" thing was all he could come up with.

Lame.
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Not necessarily, if you've been a member of this forum for some time and have only really ever posted questions and advice concerning AAS, then it would just seem like a "given" that you'd post pictures of your success with said products. Its usually the guys that don't post any pics and never post except in drama threads that rub me the wrong way. I also get a bit upset when people have alot to say about something they've never used or would ever use......... Which in your case is probably AAS's and most every OTC product.
 
slow-mun said:
:wave: Nice way to keep the thread on topic...................You guys don't know me, so I'll just leave it at that. By the way, real world experience is valuable regardless what you may think. On another note, if you have never ran a cycle DO NOT give your $00.02's on what a proper post cycle therapy plan should or shouldn't include. I'm simply ashamed........, you both are very lame indeed:FUfinger:
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:think: Please inform me on what a proper PCT should include for getting test back up. My guess:

SERM
Possibly with Non-Androgenic AI
TIME!

Extra's:
DVTHF
I3C/DIM
Icariin (I am on the fence, what if mimicking test, lowered your own? Thought anyone? It mimicks test, can it show up as test in a blood test?)
Testofen/Fenugreek (I like Testofen's Free T numbers)
DHEA (I definately wouldn't but many seem to like)
Trib (again I wouldn't, no evidence)
Longjack (maybe, heard reports of gyno though)
Avena Sativa (not the classiest, but can't hurt)
Maca (libido possibly)
 
slow-mun said:
:wave: Nice way to keep the thread on topic...................You guys don't know me, so I'll just leave it at that. By the way, real world experience is valuable regardless what you may think. On another note, if you have never ran a cycle DO NOT give your $00.02's on what a proper post cycle therapy plan should or shouldn't include. I'm simply ashamed........, you both are very lame indeed:FUfinger:
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I second that. :FUfinger: Real word results speak louder then words.
 
slow-mun said:
Not necessarily, if you've been a member of this forum for some time and have only really ever posted questions and advice concerning anabolic steroids, then it would just seem like a "given" that you'd post pictures of your success with said products. Its usually the guys that don't post any pics and never post except in drama threads that rub me the wrong way. I also get a bit upset when people have alot to say about something they've never used or would ever use......... Which in your case is probably AAS's and most every OTC product.
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Not everyone lifts for vanity. I also don't have a digital camera or a scanner at the moment. I would describe myself but then you would call me out as a liar since I won't post a pic.
Back on topic, if it is intelligent info about a relatively unknown product that is used to inform it can't be bad for anyone. So please give me something concrete about 6-bromo its metabolites, their activity, and how they would register in a blood test. (ATD blood test keep popping into my head)
 
getemboi said:
I second that. :FUfinger: Real word results speak louder then words.
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From JoeBlow: Man guys I ran NO Explode and started eating a lot more clean food with this new workout a trainer made for me and put on 20 pounds. NO Explode rocks!

Without science Real World Results have way to many factors. Use science to help pick a product to help you get real world results.
Also real world results are EXTREMELY likely to happen from any 6-bromo product.
I just wouldn't say it is the best for PCT. Has that been mentioned yet?
 
Not that NO Explode is a bad product either, creatine is good. It just popped in my head first. It is not 20 lbs good though, lol.
 
jasonschaffin said:
Wait a few months, do pre, during and post blood work on a HDX2 standalone cycle. Than the only question left would really be if 6-bromotest shows up as testosterone on a blood test.
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See I would, but I dont do "sane." My next cycle is going to be truly scary. ;)
 
like that huh! Everyone around here likes her. Shes natrually beautiful, nothing fake about her! She actually looks like my girl!
 
I'll get them to ya, send you an email manana! I'm off to bed now. Night bro! Nice website by the way!
 
Heres one of mindy to go to bed with though! Give me some reps!
 

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jasonschaffin said:
That may very well be what is great about 6-bromo standalone or during a cycle. Lower estrogen, be slightly androgenic and hopefully the AI capability is enough to not let test drop. Still don't believe it to be good for recover but to me it still resembles something like Formestane.
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If it resembles something formestane than it would be good on cycle for something that converts to estrogen? I have read that form was good for ON cycle.

I still want to run it solo again and get pre, during and post BW to just see for myself. Which isomer is the more androgenic?
 
slow-mun said:
Not necessarily, if you've been a member of this forum for some time and have only really ever posted questions and advice concerning anabolic steroids, then it would just seem like a "given" that you'd post pictures of your success with said products. Its usually the guys that don't post any pics and never post except in drama threads that rub me the wrong way.
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This wasn't a drama thread until you started throwing around the insults...it was the intelligent discussion that you were apparently incapable of. I was genuinely looking for answers, not looking to start a fight.

With that said, whether I have a picture posted or not says nothing about my knowledge on the subject at hand, or my intellectual ability in general. I'm quite confident with both my physique and intellignence.

slow-mun said:
I also get a bit upset when people have alot to say about something they've never used or would ever use......... Which in your case is probably anabolic steroids's and most every OTC product.
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I also find it quite humorous that you've determined so much about my character that you can predict what products I would/wouldn't use. I have no qualms with using anabolic steroids...be they legal designers or illicit substances. Hell, I've used my share of designers in the past.

The difference is, I researched them and was able to conclusively determine what kind of effects they would have. This is what I've been trying to do with 6-bromo. I'd like to know whether this will be something useful ONLY on cycle...or if it is indeed suitable for post cycle therapy.

Trust me, I'm not here to argue with someone who's not even capable of realizing that they really have no effing clue what they're talking about. I'm genuinely curious about the product, because I may find it useful for myself in the future. Believe it or not, I'm here to learn. Isn't that what message boards are meant for in the first place?

And if I really thought that previous experience with a compound meant jack sh*t in understanding how it worked in the body, I'd ask some cattle how they liked their synovex pellets. Something tells me I'd get the same bullsh*t I get from you...
 
UNCfan1 said:
If it resembles something formestane than it would be good on cycle for something that converts to estrogen? I have read that form was good for ON cycle.

I still want to run it solo again and get pre, during and post BW to just see for myself. Which isomer is the more androgenic?
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It appears that this may be very good for reducing estrogen on cycle. This is why I've been trying to get answers here. It appears that the alpha isomer will convert to an androgenic steroid, while the beta will be largely androgenically inactive. The beta however will still bind aromatase, reducing estrogen levels.

It seems to me that this could be really cool to throw into a "wet" cycle (Dbol, Test, 4AD, etc) in order to control estrogen and also provide anabolic properties itself.
 
quigs said:
It appears that this may be very good for reducing estrogen on cycle. This is why I've been trying to get answers here. It appears that the alpha isomer will convert to an androgenic steroid, while the beta will be largely androgenically inactive. The beta however will still bind aromatase, reducing estrogen levels.

It seems to me that this could be really cool to throw into a "wet" cycle (Dbol, Test, 4AD, etc) in order to control estrogen and also provide anabolic properties itself.
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Thats what I was looking for which isomer did which.

Good stuff!
 
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