how much clen?

30ml to 4oz from what I've seen. So 60ml to the new bulk carrier from NP? Can anyone compare results from dermal versus oral? I see reports of less sides from dermal, but what are the results?
 
30ml to 4oz from what I've seen. So 60ml to the new bulk carrier from NP? Can anyone compare results from dermal versus oral? I see reports of less sides from dermal, but what are the results?

Do a search either here, or at mindandmuscle(dot)net for some more user feedback; there is plenty.
 
Thanks. Still not clear on the amount. I saw 30ml and 15ml to a 4oz, which is better? And Par said it's better orally if you can handle the sides.
 
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