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which cycle?

bjuicen

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If you had the choice which cycle would you choose and why?

Goal bulking but keeping bloat and BF% to a minimum
My stats:

25yrs old
205lbs
5'10"
six good previous cycles

#1 wks 1-12--1 amp sust 250 eod
wks 1-12 --2 amp primobolan eod

#2 same as above but with 100mg tren ed

#3 wks 1-12--750 mg ICN Galenika
wks 1-12--800 mg equpoise
wks 1-12--100 mg tren ed

any sugestions welcome!!
 
More gains will be made in the long run if you allow some bloating from estrogen. Completely removal of estrogen is not ideal.

I like #3 also. However, I think it would be better to increase the test to 1 gram and lower the EQ to 600mg. Or even decreas the EQ to 600mg and keep the test the same. Just my preference though.

Primo always sounds good but the cost/benefit from it just is not high enough.
 
I like number 3 as well and I agree with size, that's getting really high on the EQ dosage, but the test can be upped. Have liquidex on hand for if the bloat gets to be unbearable, but like the guys said, the estrogen really helps pack on the mass.

ManBeast
 
number 2,nothing like tren and testosterone together . dont even think of anything else . tren+estradiol seems to give THE best gains in combo .
and i dont know how #3 can be compared to 1 or 2 , the third one has over 2.5 gms of steroids ? if u add up , thats a shitload , as both number 1 and 2 would fall around 1-1.5 gm range .
 
Hey raybravo, do you think I would be missing out on anything if I dropped the primo out of #2 or maybe replace it with 200mg of eq eod.
 
nope , eq would do just fine , or maybe do a better job . but i'd rather see u use a nor testosterone derivative(tren) to go with the testosterone ...
 
acetate will do , why spend unnecessary money ? ure going to do eod shots , so acetate will do just fine .
 
I have both versions ready to go so price doesnt matter right now, if you had both which would you do?

If i did go with the acetate version I would probable go with the ed shots becaue of the acetate half life and maybe even do prop 100mg ed wks 1-4.
 
nope , i personally dont feel there is too much of a diff in eod or ed shots with acetate , but either way will do i guess, but u should realise , ure getting around 10 mg or so less per 100 mg compared to acetate ester , when ure using enanthate ester . just becos u have something , doesnt mean u have to use it !:) save it ;) .
 
the only reason I would want to go with the enan of acet is that I heard if you do the tren without test in your system you can get fina dick, I have done tren before but it was with prop so it kicked in right away
 
highly unlikely u will have a tren dick or whatever in a week or so , enanthate has a active life or around 8 days i think anyway , and eod injects will build up levels quicker . dont worry .
 
raybravo said:
number 2,nothing like tren and testosterone together . dont even think of anything else . tren+estradiol seems to give THE best gains in combo .
and i dont know how #3 can be compared to 1 or 2 , the third one has over 2.5 gms of steroids ? if u add up , thats a shitload , as both number 1 and 2 would fall around 1-1.5 gm range .

He laid out the dosages. They are definitely too extreme for me.

#2 is:
Mon- 250test, 200mg primo, 100mg tren = 550mg
Tues-100mg tren = 100mg
Wed- 250test, 200mg primo, 100mg tren = 550mg
Thurs- 100mg tren = 100mg
Fri- 250test, 200mg primo, 100mg tren = 550mg
Sat- 100mg tren = 100mg
Sun- 250test, 200mg primo, 100mg tren = 550mg

Weekly total is 2500mg. Either I am reading his cycle wrong or you need to work on your math. ;)
My suggestion/interpretation would yield 2300mg weekly and that is with increasing to a 1gram of test and lowering the EQ to 600mg.

Also, I just to not think the cost of primo is worth it when using all these other goodies.
 
lol , yeah ure right , either way :) , lol , i think a normal 250 mg test and 100 mg tren eod itself would be close to a gram a week , and they work great in synnergy , so i would normally suggest that , he could up the tren dose a little (he has 100 mg ed)if he wants , and i'd drop the primo. something like that .
 
#3

No difference in my experience as far as gains go between ed and eod injects of acetate. I do get more moody though on EOD. I would run the tren 2 weeks past the EQ though.

Ray,
After reading quite a bit of posts by Jboldman on CEM, tren and estrodial seems to be quite potent. I wonder what results would be, if one is prone to gyno, if you did say tren ace and straight synovex, not removing the estrodial.
 
yeah , but i mean u can just go crazy and let estradiol out of control bro , so like it was said on that thread , not using an aromatase inhibitor should be enough instead of using synovex along with tren . and never such extremes when ure gyno prone u know ? but the benefits of stacking tren and test are soo many , and its not just becos of the presence of estradiol .
 
will post what big cat wrote on the topic of stacking tren and testesterone in a thread on bbing.com , its very informative :

"Well when commencing the test protocol I usually employ increments of 250 mg. So 500 test, up to 750, 1000 and possibly in larger individuals 1250. At 1000 or slightly above you will however notice that the increase in gains is considerably less. More testosterone means more estradiol leading to increased SHBG activity and less androgen receptor occupation increase. Then we add the tren. Likewise, we would use a similar dose increase, with perhaps 250-350 mg of tren per week, amounting to 35-50 mg ed. Then potentially in very elite athletes up to 75 mg, but I'm theorizing that at this point you will have 95-100% occupation of androgen receptors and further increases of any steroid for that purpose would be futile.

Nandrolone is useful in that regard that it is 19Nor and thus resistant to binding and metabolization, allowing it to fill the receptors that testosterone has difficulty filling beyond a certain dose due to increased binding to proteins. But then I would still opt for trenbolone. Out of the body faster, more resistant than nandrolone, equally active in muscle and a heck of a lot more active in all other tissues. Its basically a DHT that works in muscle (3 times as strong an AR affinity as test but no deactivation). I always advise against nandrolone.

The nature of gains dictates that the best course of action is test, until the linear increase in Ar occupation starts to attenuate, usually around 1 to 1.2 grams of test per week. At which point adding more test yields less results as doses increase due to higher binding by proteins. It is then wise, if we still wish to continue the increase in effect, to fill the remaining AR with an androgen that is as potent or more so, but more resistant to binding proteins. trenbolone being the wiser choice, being 3 times more androgenic than testosterone in all tissues and highly resistant due to its triple double bond and 19Nor structure. This will allow the continuation of the linear increase, increasing gains at a lower cost than with increased test. An added benefit being that it is less progestational than nandrolone and does not convert to estrogen, since we are adding it to 1gram of test ...

If we then still wish to continue, the only logical addition is the only steroid known to work in an entirely different fashion than testosterone, namely winstrol. Structure indicates poor binding, poor muscle building qualities and the list goes on, but it does appear to express very weird characteristics that very rarely overlap with testosterone, making it really the only drug that is synergistic with test. It is the only hormone that exhibits strong binding to the microsomal AR, while it has next to no binding at other AR. That would indicate a strong expression of a function not activated by test. It is highly active in the liver, in fact to such an extent that the liver expresses a binding protein that is specific to stanozolol, STBP. Where testosterone can bind only one form of the cortisol receptor, stana binds to both, increasing the anti-catabolic effect. It increases calcium reabsorption from the kidneys, which then normalizes calcium depression in the serum as a result of testosterone induced calcium influx in the muscle and liver. It increases collagen synthesis, which could strengthen tendons, which is always an upside in steroid users and lastly it is known to cause growth through a form of programmed cell death and increases in energy independent of the AR.

With these three, I see really no room to add anything else. It would be overkill. Mind you, you could keep upping the doses of all of this with great succes to the point where you are using 2+ g of AAS per week. Which is an extremely large dose."
 
Im not very prone to gyno at all, I wonder to what upper limit or cut off would excess estrogen have an anabolic affect.
 
bjuicen said:
what do you guys think about bolasterone? I am about to come accross some of it.

I know very little about it but I can give you what I have read.
Bolasterone is essentially Test methylated at 7 and 17 positions. Supposedly similiar to anadrol with less bloating.
However, the product supposedly being released is only methylated at the 7 position yet it is given the name bolasterone. :confused:

7-ALPHA,17-ALPHA-DIMETHYLTESTOSTERONE=BOLASTERONE
 
bjuicen said:
do you think it will be something worth trying? even though it is different than the original

Not sure, I would be concerned/interested though.
 
u got that from instynct didnt ya ? i wouldnt bother, if i remember right , it works on the lines of dbol, but just more potent mg per mg , then why not just use dbol ?
 
Gimme drol. I had great results on Test/Deca/Drol/Tren (could I add a few more drugs) I was at my all time high of 240, no man boobies either. Progesterone gyno....pffftt. Water retention was minimal, I react well to anadrol, whereas dbol makes me feel like week old rat ****, and bloats me up like rosie o'donell.
 
raybravo said:
u got that from instynct didnt ya ? i wouldnt bother, if i remember right , it works on the lines of dbol, but just more potent mg per mg , then why not just use dbol ?

No I didn't get it from him although I did see that he had it on his list awhile back, the bolasterone I'm talking about is from rsoc.
 
I just finished Eq @ 400mg per week with 150mg of prob eod and 250mg of test E on sundays.i got some really nice gains and was happy until i ran short on my test for a week do to a miss-hap of dropping a vial.That being said if you like knocking off a piece strange here and there make sure you have a good base. i never had the problem with Deca,but that Eq killed it.
 
Gimme drol. I had great results on Test/Deca/Drol/Tren (could I add a few more drugs) I was at my all time high of 240, no man boobies either. Progesterone gyno....pffftt. Water retention was minimal, I react well to anadrol, whereas dbol makes me feel like week old rat ****, and bloats me up like rosie o'donell.

im coming to hang out with you and stock up on your Drol.iyou have a better chance of finding the Great White Buffalo here in Houston than Drol :veryhappy:
 
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