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First time cycle. Winnie + Clen Stack

bigbeasta4

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It's my first time to do a cycle. I'm doing EVERYTHING oral. I can't do injectables. I've sourced winstrol, nolva and clen. I should have everything next week. I'm going to keep everything locked in a closet untill I'm able to get every bit of research I can. I have a perfect training and diet schedule, so I figured I would go this route.

I'm thinking 3C of Winstrol a week. I'm not doing the tabs, I'm doing the oral liquid. although should I start my nolva at the beginning of the cycle or towards the end? I want to make this cycle as safe as possible, and do not want to face any problems.

I've been trying to find stickys regarding my questions, although I have not been successful. Someone please help me research more...

Thanks Again.
 
bigbeasta4 said:
It's my first time to do a cycle. I'm doing EVERYTHING oral. I can't do injectables. I've sourced winstrol, nolva and clen. I should have everything next week. I'm going to keep everything locked in a closet untill I'm able to get every bit of research I can. I have a perfect training and diet schedule, so I figured I would go this route.

I'm thinking 3C of Winstrol a week. I'm not doing the tabs, I'm doing the oral liquid. although should I start my nolva at the beginning of the cycle or towards the end? I want to make this cycle as safe as possible, and do not want to face any problems.

I've been trying to find stickys regarding my questions, although I have not been successful. Someone please help me research more...

Thanks Again.
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in my opinion...if you are avoiding injectibles...you shouldnt run winny...you're probably better off using prosteroids...3cc's a week isnt enough...you will need to administrate daily...i would say a minimum of 37.5 mg (.75cc)...i personally would never cycle without test. careful with winny because it dries out your joints really bad and most people dont get the results they are looking for because it works best on people that are at very low body fat to begin with....
 
I'm taking flaxseed fish oil, alot of it to prevent the joint issue.
I'm planning on running 20mg of nolva from day 1 to the last day on the cycle.....
so you think .75cc a day would be a good amount?
 
I can't do injectables for some odd reason,
I'm not taking the tabs, therefore I have to up the dosage since its orally right?
 
So why can't you run an injectable cycle again?...

The oral availability of winny suspended in oil isn't too great. Look around for the ratio, it's out there.

You're running Clen and Win together with Nolva while on? You need to give some more info than that. And what are you expectations?
 
what do you mean by suspended in oil?
I can't do injections, i hate needles. I cant take needles....

I was told that what you inject, you would take orally, but at higher dosages.....

Not the tabs, but the liquid form.

Well I'm not sure how to run all 3 together.... thats why I was researching.

I was thinking of running 20mg of nolva each day while im on the cycle.......
 
I don't think winny has much of an incidence of gyno or water retention. I wouldn't run nolva while on.

Keep it for PCT.

But Winny and Clen together just seems like a bad idea. Joint poain will be hell. Cardiovascular health will go to sh t.

And you are right about injectable steroids having oral availability. I have no clue on the conversion rate. It's gotta be like 30 percent or lower.

My bad about the Oil comment...it's aqueous.


Start researching more...

Big Cat is always a good place to start...
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But i like Tom's sugesstion too, that you might want to just look into some of the newer Designers.
 
If you wreck your liver with orals, you're gonna have to get used to needles while you are getting your transplant :) lol :whiner:

but seriously... you gotta face that fear and do it - if you wanna get big, and you are going to do it with drugs, do them the right way. Or at the very least, don't be surprised if everyone here tells you the same thing, which is not to run it without test :)
 
Cardiovascular health will go to sh t.

PI would that be from the combo or from the clen? I ask cause a buddy of mine is running clen.

Sorry to hijack the thread.
 
Caused by the clen...some research shows that is harms the heart and most people who use it have suffered from a shortness of breathe or inability to do a lot of cardio.
 
PumpingIron said:
Caused by the clen...some research shows that is harms the heart and most people who use it have suffered from a shortness of breathe or inability to do a lot of cardio.
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And Lots of heart tissue necrosis... Clen's no joke, and not for the beginner or guy lookin to get out of pinning.. HINT HINT...

My suggestion to you my friend, is to either do one of two things:

A) Man up, it's only a needle!
B) Run prohormones, NOT gear for oral cycles.
 
I'm running a Chlamydia stack with Gonorrhea and Syphillus to kickstart it, what do you recommend for a post cycle therapy?

:bb:
 
I agree with RA...probably for the first time ever...as far as the clen goes. I've never ran it. And I will only ever use it when it comes to contest prep. I'm gonna give it a 2 week go mid summer just to address my tolerance, but that stuff scares the hell out of me.
 
PumpingIron said:
I agree with RA...probably for the first time ever...as far as the clen goes. I've never ran it. And I will only ever use it when it comes to contest prep. I'm gonna give it a 2 week go mid summer just to address my tolerance, but that stuff scares the hell out of me.
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Lol, right right.. hahaha Clen is a good thing, don't get me wrong, it's just to often looked at as a 'miracle weight loss drug' and very rarely are the side effects considered. PI, check your pms.
 
yea i agree with everything pumping iron and risingagainst said...the difference between oral and injectible is close to nothing...don't base your dosages on that....run it everyday no matter what even if u only do 25mg...but like i said...i would do no less than 37.5mg....

and once again...i still strongly recommend going with test or using designers
 
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