Evaluate my 1st Cycle and program!

[TRUE]

OK so this is my first time on gear. I’m in the middle of my 3rd week and so far I’m really loving it! Sometimes, especially when I’m working out I feel kinda overwhelmed almost like a good ecstasy trip… Sometimes I am soar as ****. This last injection made me SO totally soar I could barely walk or sit. It was worst then my first, the injections in-between my first and this had no effect so I’m not real sure what that’s about.

The Dbol gives me INSANE pumps that I wish were permanent but lil by little I’m getting significant and lasting gains. I’m 6’ and before I started my cycle I was at 196 and today I’m hitting 208 of nice mostly lean muscle. I gained an inch around my arms, from 16 to 17” and an inch around my chest so far, from 45 to 46”. I’m starting to see cuts that I’ve never seen before and I’m getting real good feedback in the gym and out. Lemme know what you guys think about this.

Critique my 12 week cycle:

Week 1-2: Equipoise 600 mg a week (300 Monday 300 Thursday) and Dbol 50 mg ED
Week 3-6: Equipoise 700 mg a week (350 Monday 350 Thursday) and Dbol 50 mg ED
Week 6-12: Equipoise 700 mg a week (350 Monday 350 Thursday) and Winstrol 50 mg ED

Food:
Just about doubling my food intake with a fairly clean diet. Changes day to day but usually:
1. Protein Shake
2. Chicken or Tuna
3. Protien Shake
4. Sandwhich with lots of meat or salad with meat
5. protein Shake
6. cheese and meat or wheat thins

Workouts:
Changes every couple weeks from Bi’s/Tri’s one day, chest/back another and legs the third, repeat and rest on the 7th. Now I’m doing Bi’s/Chest one day, Tri’s/back another, legs repeat and rest on 7th. Mixing up amount of reps and weights to keep it fresh. Doing cardio around 3 times a week for 20-30 mins. Ranging from elliptical to running to stairs to swimming.

Supplements:
Twin Labs Multi Vitamins 6 daily
BSN NoExplode - 2 to 3 scoops before workout
Omega 3 – 1240 mg
Omega 6 – 885 mg
Omega 9 – 510 mg
Alpha-Lipoic Acid – 300 mg
Milk Thistle Extract – 70 mg

Nolvadex on-hand if needed

Post Cycle Therapy:
Nolvadex – 50 mg ED for 45 days
Clomid – 100 mg for 30 days
HCG – 4000ui every 4 days for 16 days
When should I start post-cycle with the EQ in mind, right after or a couple weeks after the last injection?

So give it to me guys is this gonna do it for me? Any glairing mistakes that I’m making? I’ve been working seriously for about 4 or 5 years now and I’m so ready to finally get that built, ripped shape that I’ve been working my ass off for.

T’ANKS!

 

[Chad]

the only thing i see that is a bit off is the nolva and clomid.
from what i understand they are to be started high and stepped down week by week. not just a flat dose the whole time.

 

[smc252]

I'd use the HCG in smaller doses 2x week towards the end, and I am sure you know not to use it for PCT, as it's suppressive. Good luck man!

 

[pistonpump]

i see alot that i would change but ill get back to that later. first off you are running methylated orals for 12 weeks straight, you need more liver protection. HCG is better on cycle.

 

[TRUE]

I'd use the HCG in smaller doses 2x week towards the end, and I am sure you know not to use it for post cycle therapy, as it's suppressive. Good luck man!

HUH, actually I didn't know that. Anabolics 2007 has a post-cycle program recommended by a doctor that uses HCG for the first 16 days right after the cycle. It does explain that too much can cause the opposite effects that are desired. Your saying I should use it the last couple weeks of my cycle?

Thanks

 

[PumpingIron]

I like the HCG in PCT...

But holy sh*t you're running SERMS as a really high dose for a long time...


Gotta ask though, how is the libido without any test and how is your overall sense of well being? any anxiety?

 

[TRUE]

I like the HCG in post cycle therapy...

But holy sh*t you're running SERMS as a really high dose for a long time...


Gotta ask though, how is the libido without any test and how is your overall sense of well being? any anxiety?

Well my libido is just as good if not better then before! Sex is much more aggressive. As for my sense of well being and anxiety...given the fact that my company is being sold, projects are on hold and my job is on the line I am handling myself as calm and put together as I can imagine. That comes with some anxiety but nothing out of control. In fact I may be handling the situation better then if I wasn't taking anything.

So you've done hCG post cycle not during and kept results/kick-started test production?

Do you think that I should add some test to the mix? if so how much given the 700 mg's a week of EQ.

 

[PumpingIron]

Nope, never injected...I haven't gotten around to it yet. So I haven't used the HCG like that personally.

I'm just going by my personal research into the subject.

As far as running test now, I wouldn't. I was just curious. You already have your plan. I'd stick to it.

Most people will run a ratio of 2:3, EQ:Test but it's open to interpretation.

 

[pistonpump]

if you want some test there you can just inject 250mg a week this would be more than natural test production still and would just keep things working. If you are going to run test try a small dose.

 

[TRUE]

if you want some test there you can just inject 250mg a week this would be more than natural test production still and would just keep things working. If you are going to run test try a small dose.

Cool, thanks for that. Do you recommend enth? I can mix it in the same syringe as my EQ and inject at the same time right?

SO, basically my body isn't making any more test because of the test-like steroids being thrown in there? Sides I should be watching out for without test are no libido, anxiety, and feeling lethargic? What if i'm not experiencing these sides, should I wait to see if I do?

I read that the test dose should be at least that of whatever else I'm taking so that would make it 700mg which is huge! I'm already getting good mass, in fact some people who don't know I'm doing gear keep telling me that if I get any bigger then i'll be too big "your a 10 now, don't try for an 11" was what someone told me yesterday. Would 250 not affect my mass, just my symptoms?

 

[PumpingIron]

250mg is about that minimum dose. You won't see much in terms of weight or strength gains, but you will see those 'sides.'

You can run EQ by itself though. No biggy, especially if you aren't seeing any of the bad sides. And you'd have to run a short ester cuz enan and cyp take atleast 4 weeks to 'kick in.'

 

[pistonpump]

you know what your doing.

if youre making gains then just go with it. If you lose libido mainly that is a sign you might need test. if you boy doesnt get up you might need test but you will need a shorter ester because it will take awhile. prop comes to mind. or cialis

 

[TRUE]

sides

Yeah, maybe it was the mere mention of low libido or it's a slow progression but last night I had to really focus on gettin' it going. It's not gone, just not necessarily around when I want it to be suddenly. Perhaps some test is in order. Also, My weight is fluctuating. I was at 209 now I'm down to 204. Ive still been eating though I'm not as good at it as I am on the weekends and what I do to my body right now is really amplified, I can feel that. It's a trip.

As far as liver goes, I've upped my dose of Milk Thistle to 600 mgs along with my ALA at 300 mg.

Cool to get my taurine from diet rockstars?