Fedor... Best MMA Fighter of All Time?

Is Fedor The Best of All Time?

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I didn't vote cause as of right now he is without a doubt the greatest but Shogun is up there too. 1 real defeat to babalu and that one against Coleman shouldn't count.

War Shogun and I agree with the guy who made the comment about good MMA convo here unlike sherdog. Banned me for not posting enough I guess?
 
UNCfan1 said:
I didn't vote cause as of right now he is without a doubt the greatest but Shogun is up there too. 1 real defeat to babalu and that one against Coleman shouldn't count.

War Shogun and I agree with the guy who made the comment about good MMA convo here unlike sherdog. Banned me for not posting enough I guess?
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Welcome UNCfan. You'll like it a lot around here, except every once in a while it can get weird in a hurry. The question is simply "Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all time, currently", so like you said, simple answer, Fedor. Shogun is good, but we'll see in the next few years if he can be mentioned up their with Fedor. IMO, not likely.
 
Alexander said:
Welcome UNCfan. You'll like it a lot around here, except every once in a while it can get weird in a hurry. The question is simply "Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all time, currently", so like you said, simple answer, Fedor. Shogun is good, but we'll see in the next few years if he can be mentioned up their with Fedor. IMO, not likely.
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After watching Fedor u can't help but to say he is the best. He has beaten the best and no one has really touched him. Fujita rocked him a little bit and randleman slammed him good.

What I love about him is his quickness. He doesn;t look fast but he is. Anyway I love MMA and look forward to having some great convo's here.

Thanks for the welcome Alexander.
 
Yes, Fedor is the best. I think BJ Penn rivals Fedor for sheer skill but lacks his conditioning and gameplan abilities.

One thing I'm curious about is the level Fedor will be at when he reaches 40, just because of the comparison to be made with Randy Couture. With the level Randy is at at that age, he may've been better than Fedor if he started MMA at a younger age. Ah well.

Fedor is the best so far, and he's the most dominant athlete I can think of since Rocky Marciano.
 
i do mma and my father used to teach it before it really got big and he thinks pound for pound fedor is the most dominant fighter he has ever seen he doesnt show emotion he bleeds very easily but that only seems to fire him up more i think fedor is the best because he is undefeated in this new age of the sport and very versitile with his whole game
 
this thread is hilarious i came in here and voted to my curiousity i decided to read......its ridiculous how rogue dashing drone deletes every post but is quoted in the post below by alexander
 
I'd say 2 more big wins, and it's Anderson or if GSP destroys Serra and beats Fitch, he'll probably be close.

Fedor's going to be giving the title up soon.
 
jas123 said:
I'd say to more big wins and it's Anderson or if GSP destroys Serra and beats Fitch, he'll probably be close.

Fedor's going to be giving the title up soon.
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GSP, bwahahaha. He's good, but what has he done to be mentioned up there. He lost to Hughes, Serra, and basically a draw with Penn where he got banged up, lets move on.

Anderson is getting there, but he has a ways to go. He's got a few blemishes on his record to B level fighters that he has to make up for. He's been doing great recently, but he has a little ways to go. He's definitely ahead of GSP though. Anderson has pretty much cleared out 185 for the time being. If he moves up to 205 and beats 2 or 3 top 205ers then you'd be able to put up a good arguement. Theirs lots of ways to look at it, but Fedor was dominant for 5 years. Anderson has been amazing, but its only been 2-3 years. Fedor fought some cans during that 5 years, but Leben, Fryklund, Stout, Murray:run:etc aren't top dogs either.
 
Please off yourself after the Murray blasphemy.

I'd definitely say GSP has cleaned out the division much more than Anderson. What are you talking about? Most of us agree that he'd beat the other 185ers in the picture, but he's got some fighters to beat still: Okami, Kampmann, Leites, Jensen (:lol:), Lindland, Lawler, Filho, Frank(:blink:), Misaki, Trigg . A lot of those aren't his fault because of talent dispersion, but GSP's fought pretty much all the top 170ers except Shields, Fitch, and Diego. He dominated Hughes twice (as much as it pains me to say it) after the loss so you can't hold that against him. Serra was bad but hopefully a fluke like the Fujita fight came close to being. Penn, well that's hard to argue against. Penn-GSP = Fedor-Arona? Sort of.....

I think you place too much value in early losses in a fighters career. A fighter doesn't have to undefeated to be great or the best if he dominates for a long period of time and cleans out a division.

I do understand the animosity toward GSP challenging Fedor's crown because GSP's weakness is Fedor's strength, the mental aspect.

How about an eventual GSP-Anderson match at 178 (maybe in 8 months to 1.5 years)? That would be huge and the catch weight provides some damage control both ways.
 
I'd say Fedor dominated from Schilt 6/2002 to CC 8/2005. He hasn't really fought a top fighter since then except maybe Hunt whose ground game is limited, and he looked terrible doing it.
 
GSP's loss to Serra was a big mistake, that's really what seperates him from Anderson in the best ever discussion, not that either should really be mentioned at this point.

GSP's beaten Sherk(a LW), Trigg, Hughes, Koscheck, Karo and then the draw with Penn. Those are his top victories, but he also lost to Serra recently who is not that great and Hughes not that long ago, but he redeemed himself and then some for that loss. Other decent wins include Mayhem and maybe Spratt or Hieron. I have a rating system that is too complex for you to understand, only Mullet can comprehend the complexities involved. Anyways, I give GSP's career a 8.6.

Anderson has beaten Hendo, Franklin x2, Lutter, Marquardt and Horn. Those are his top victories, he has lost to Takase and Chonan, but that was 4-5 years ago, and Azeredo in his MMA debut. Other decent wins include Riviera, Murray, Steibling, Stout, Rivera, Newton, and Sakurai(he should possibly be in the top wins list, but is much smaller even though they fought at the same weight, 167). The depth of his secondary wins is what seperates them the most and GSP's recent loss to Serra. Anderson has a rating of 9.0.

I don't know as far as clearing out divisions goes. I don't think any of the guys you mentioned will give Anderson much trouble, and I doubt Lindland or Lawler are coming to the UFC. I don't see anyone giving GSP much trouble either though. I'd love to see them meet at a catch weight.

Right now I'd give Anderson the edge over GSP and neither are that close to Fedor, but another weak year out of Fedor and an incredible year out of Anderson could bring him close.

Fedor is better at just about everything than GSP, P4P, not just mentally. GSP has better shots and sprawls and that's it. Fedor has better stand up, better throws(although that was a nice throw on Hughes) better submission, better heart. I don't see Arona/Fedor being equivalent to GSP/Penn, because their was no striking on the ground allowed, which is Fedor's strongpoint given his hand is healthy.
 
jas123 said:
I'd say Fedor dominated from Schilt 6/2002 to CC 8/2005. He hasn't really fought a top fighter since then except maybe Hunt whose ground game is limited, and he looked terrible doing it.
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I'd give Fedor credit from Sobral-Hunt, so 01-06. I mean he didn't look great, the guy makes zero excuses he probably had a broken hand and the flu(my sh*t is getting out of control), regardless he finished the #10 HW in the first round. GSP's time of dominance is debateable and possible never lasted over a year or so. I'd give Anderson credit from Rivera-now, so 04-08.
 
You forgot Trigg and I'd put Miller in with his good wins since he's been rated top 10 at MW. Also, I wouldn't say Horn is a top fighter at all. He's tough (or used to be), but has lost about every big fight he's been in.

No punches on the ground were the rules Fedor was fighting under and had fought under so it's a moot point. The rules haven't matched up perfectly between the major orgs anyway. Maybe Arona would have opened up nasty cuts with elbows allowed.

What do you think was the greatest era of AM's MMA forum? Swank+Vika+dude who thinks Coleman and Frye >>> Sylvia, AA, and Nog >>>>> Rogue, Savage, Beowulf :blink:
 
Alexander said:
I'd give Fedor credit from Sobral-Hunt, so 01-06. I mean he didn't look great, the guy makes zero excuses he probably had a broken hand and the flu(my sh*t is getting out of control), regardless he finished the #10 HW in the first round. GSP's time of dominance is debateable and possible never lasted over a year or so. I'd give Anderson credit from Rivera-now, so 04-08.
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Please stop: Yeah, he really ran the gauntlet by beating Chris Haseman, Lee Hasdell, Ryushi Yanagisawa, Renato Sobral (a 205er who is really intelligent: see Lambert and Chuck fights).
 
jas123 said:
You forgot Trigg and I'd put Miller in with his good wins since he's been rated top 10 at MW. Also, I wouldn't say Horn is a top fighter at all. He's tough (or used to be), but has lost about every big fight he's been in.

No punches on the ground were the rules Fedor was fighting under and had fought under so it's a moot point. The rules haven't matched up perfectly between the major orgs anyway. Maybe Arona would have opened up nasty cuts with elbows allowed.

What do you think was the greatest era of AM's MMA forum? Swank+Vika+dude who thinks Coleman and Frye >>> Sylvia, AA, and Nog >>>>> Rogue, Savage, Beowulf :blink:
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Please continue: I didn't forget Trigg and Miller is OK. Horn should probably be in the mediocre wins column. Horn has lost a lot, but he's beaten lots of good fighters. Sonnen a bunch of times, Louiseau, Prangley, Forrest, I could keep going.

It's definitely not a moot point. It's not entirely MMA, that's taking a huge aspect out of MMA, not equivalent to the difference between Pride and UFC rules. Fedor would've kicked his ass had it been full MMA rules. You're right though, Fedor's Rings career shouldn't count for much. Besides a draw with Arona and beating Babalu it was all a joke and not full MMA. Can't punch to the face on the ground, that's a big deal bucko. It's not likely that Arona would've done sh*t to Fedor's face, he would've been swept. When Fedor was on top he was working. Arona was laying on Fedor like a b*tch.

That's a tough call on the era's. Fvcking Rogue deserted us and I guess Savage is bitter from the time we punk'd him and he thought his job was in jeopardy. I'd like to take full credit for setting that up too.
 
Alexander said:
Who do you thinks better all time, Hughes, GSP, or Nog?
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Nog. He's never been finished and he's only been beaten convincingly beaten by Fedor. Both Hughes and GSP have endured a beating at least once in their careers. Hell, if not for Fedor, then Nog would easily be the GOAT in MMA history.
 
Rodja said:
Nog. He's never been finished and he's only been beaten convincingly beaten by Fedor. Both Hughes and GSP have endured a beating at least once in their careers. Hell, if not for Fedor, then Nog would easily be the GOAT in MMA history.
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That's pretty good logic. I might put Hughes as a close second for how long he stayed on top and what he did in his prime. He's on his way down now IMO and I think Nog will be soon too (myabe already but he's still winning).
 
jas123 said:
That's pretty good logic. I might put Hughes as a close second for how long he stayed on top and what he did in his prime. He's on his way down now IMO and I think Nog will be soon too (myabe already but he's still winning).
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Hughes dominated against a much weaker crop of fighters, though. When he was thought to be untouchable, Hughes biggest challenge was Mach, who really does not belong at 170.
 
jas123 said:
Please stop: Yeah, he really ran the gauntlet by beating Chris Haseman, Lee Hasdell, Ryushi Yanagisawa, Renato Sobral (a 205er who is really intelligent: see Lambert and Chuck fights).
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Please stop with the Babalu hate. Any man that beats Prangley, Shogun, and Horn in the same night deserves major respect. He is now a 205er, but fought much of his career at HW. He was around 230 in the Fedor fight.
 
Rodja said:
Nog. He's never been finished and he's only been beaten convincingly beaten by Fedor. Both Hughes and GSP have endured a beating at least once in their careers. Hell, if not for Fedor, then Nog would easily be the GOAT in MMA history.
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It was more of a trick question for Jas. He thinks GSP is on Fedors heals, and he sweats the sh*t out of Hughes so I figured where the hell would Nog fit in his all time list? GSP really hasn't done much yet and Hughes was good but not great. Nog is clearly the right answer, but I thought Jas might answer otherwise.

I also don't think Nog is that close to Fedor. Nog basically had draws with Sergei, Werdum, and Barnett, plus the domination that Fedor put on him. He's a distant 2nd, and IMO Anderson is close behind him.
 
robdog said:
Please stop with the Babalu hate. Any man that beats Prangley, Shogun, and Horn in the same night deserves major respect. He is now a 205er, but fought much of his career at HW. He was around 230 in the Fedor fight.
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No doubt. Babalu looked amazing in that tournament, and has a really impressive list of victories besides that. Like you said, Babalu was easily the same size as Fedor in that fight, but it's not full MMA anyways.

Talking of Babalu makes me wonder where Chuck sits on the all time list. He's up there in the top 10 easy. Like him or not, he's an incredible fighter, and his record speaks for itself.
 
jas123 said:
That's pretty good logic. I might put Hughes as a close second for how long he stayed on top and what he did in his prime. He's on his way down now IMO and I think Nog will be soon too (myabe already but he's still winning).
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So GSP is last out of these three, but you think he's on Fedors heals, bwahaha.

Let me help you understand the greatness of Fedor. He has never lost. HE HAS NEVER LOST A ROUND(in full MMA). Sorry I hate caps, but I had to for that. Nobody comes close right now. Nog will likely never catch him. Couture is not even close. Your best argument was Anderson, but he has 3 losses and needs at least 3 more big wins without losing any, and that still wouldn't nullify his early losses. If he beats 5 more good opponents in the next 2 years we can talk, but then again Fedor might come out of hibernation and start tearing through top dudes too. Right now, Fedor is the best, end of story.
 
Alexander said:
So GSP is last out of these three, but you think he's on Fedors heals, bwahaha.

Let me help you understand the greatness of Fedor. He has never lost. HE HAS NEVER LOST A ROUND(in full MMA). Sorry I hate caps, but I had to for that. Nobody comes close right now. Nog will likely never catch him. Couture is not even close. Your best argument was Anderson, but he has 3 losses and needs at least 3 more big wins without losing any, and that still wouldn't nullify his early losses. If he beats 5 more good opponents in the next 2 years we can talk, but then again Fedor might come out of hibernation and start tearing through top dudes too. Right now, Fedor is the best, end of story.
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My original post said that GSP has some things to prove like beating Serra in dominating fashion and Fitch too. The Serra fight really hurt him so he needs to erase that. Hughes' reign was long.

Babalu's not bad and obviously the best on that list, but I don't consider that fight the start of his "reign".
 
jas123 said:
My original post said that GSP has some things to prove like beating Serra in dominating fashion and Fitch too. The Serra fight really hurt him so he needs to erase that. Hughes' reign was long.

Babalu's not bad and obviously the best on that list, but I don't consider that fight the start of his "reign".
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I agree, that wasn't the start of his reign, I was wrong, but you were dogging Babalu and R-diggy ain't having that, nor am I.

I just didn't understand how you thought GSP was close to Fedor, but Hughes and Nog are both ahead of him yet they're both far behind the great one, Fedya. Beating two mediocre dudes in Serra and Fitch wouldn't put him anywhere close to Fedor. Anderson is currently your only hope for justifying your hatred for the great one.
 
I think Anderson is closer as I originally said. And yeah I was excessively hating on babalu. He's been a ***** lately but he has put together some solid wins. Serra is mediocre, but he is hard to deal with in an irritating way like when he barnacled onto Lytle. It's more of an erasing the past thing. Fitch really is the top contender, but yeah I've never been all that impressed by him. If GSP could beat Penn too, then we might have an argument. I'd rather see GSP get destroyed by Penn though as I don't like him that much.

I'm excited for Kos-Lytle at UFC 86. I'm Lytle comes out like an animal and KOs him bad, but we'll probably get more of a Kos by LnP fight.
 
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Kos/Lytle too. Kos has grown on me a bit, his fighting not his personality. I still hope Lytle KO's him. I like lytle a lot. He seems like a really reasonable guy and his interviews are funny because he sounds like such a redneck. Definitely a good guy.

Anderson is definitely closer. Luckily he's one of few fighters that I wouldn't mind taking the title from Fedor. It will never happen, but if it's gonna be anyone, why not Anderson. He's exciting, damaging, seems like a really good guy and has killer dance moves.
 
This is just my opinion of the top 3 fighters of all time:

1. Fedor 2. Nog 3. Hughes (hate him btw)

Nobody has had dominant reigns in current MMA like these guys.

In my opinion, the 3 fighters that have the most potential to enter the top 3 of all time are Anderson, Penn, and GSP.
 
robdog said:
This is just my opinion of the top 3 fighters of all time:

1. Fedor 2. Nog 3. Hughes (hate him btw)

Nobody has had dominant reigns in current MMA like these guys.

In my opinion, the 3 fighters that have the most potential to enter the top 3 of all time are Anderson, Penn, and GSP.
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Sounds good. I would probably put Anderson ahead of Hughes. I agree with the 3 you listed as far as potential. Wand was definitely up there until his last 3 fights.
 
Alexander said:
Sounds good. I would probably put Anderson ahead of Hughes. I agree with the 3 you listed as far as potential. Wand was definitely up there until his last 3 fights.
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Anderson is very close to surpassing hughes, IMO. Ya Wand was incredibly dominant for a good while there (even though there were some cans along the way). The past 2 yrs have been rough on him.
 
In the stand up, how would Manhoef do against Anderson? He seems a little wilder and obviously has a big reach disadvantage. I still haven't seen that many of Melvin's fights.
 
jas123 said:
In the stand up, how would Manhoef do against Anderson? He seems a little wilder and obviously has a big reach disadvantage. I still haven't seen that many of Melvin's fights.
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Tough to say. I'd love to see that fight. Clearly Anderson has superior ground skills, but on the feet it's a toss up IMO.
 
Ahhh, is Alex jealous?

Well, at least you can lift more? ohh :sad:

Well, at least you're more action from hotties? oh :sad:
 
Yeah, I'm jealous that you tell horrible jokes that people think are funny, half of which were originated by me, like the Mouth thing. I must admit that Gracie-Fedor joke had some serious twists and turns, very creative. No, I'm just shocked at times as to what people think is funny, especially when they've seen the joke at least 3 times before.

I'll make you look like a small child by this summer, have fun while it lasts.

Hotties? I'm gay!
 
If your a MMA fighter "YOU HIDE IN PRIDE! " Fedor, Crocop, and soon Silva will return too! Totally outclassed!

Their actions speak louder than words!
 
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